From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Tue Apr 17 2007 - 10:19:45 ART
So in other words this is study with a margin of error in the +/- 3000%
range then.
Statistics are always interesting creatures, but ones that should be put in
proper cages.
:)
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
#153, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
smorris@ipexpert.com
http://www.ipexpert.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:03 AM
To: Sean.Zimmerman@clubcorp.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Close but no Cigar (You Asked - the Vendor Bakeoff)
Sean,
Here's some "digits" for you just pulled from each vendor's website:
To be fair - I started with late February to start the numbers from - recall
some vendors have 10 years and some have less years.
====================================================
Now I picked on Nick Griffin and used his number since he passed in Late
February as a baseline to grab these numbers - and since he is on the roster
of more than a couple of vendors. (No offense Nick)
The truth is - it is hard to tell who made the difference with each
candidate since many use a lot of materials from different vendors and each
vendor claims each CCIE who purchased their materials.
Now each vendor may also have other CCIE's who did not "call in" their
number as well so it could be listed - I cannot account for that since it is
not listed.
Some vendors sell their products cheaply and thus have a higher market share
as well and this is not reflected - think ratio.
Some trainers/vendors do not list or it is hard to find their current CCIE's
(like IEMentor) - sorry.
Some trainers cannot post ther students or don't post their students (say
like Paul Borghese for instance who can probably claim a lot if the GS list
itself counts at all).
Lots of things to consider.
It also does not consider how much help a candidate may have recived from
others or vendors on GS, some vendors and their employees do quite a bit on
GS to answer lingering questions and sometimes very critical specific
questions and scenarios.
I can say that you need to read my posts and look at this list from the past
2 months or so and draw your own conclusions - some said I was biased - the
numbers are what they are.
Remember there is no accounting for ratio, but if ratio were important to
you, you would be well-advised to look twice or even three times if you
missed a very simple fact.
So when you see class-only or one-on-one it is hard but there classes and
tutelege are sparse and they rarely have large classes to draw success
stories from.
If three go in and three come out CCIE's, what can I tell you.
And there's a training center in China called www.ccxx.net with several
month programs of study that simply builds CCIE's eventually.
Oh yes - I did not count anyone I (or others) may have worked with - wink
wink... You know who you are. :)
No accounting for personal study friends or study-groups either.
==============================================
1. IE - 21 CCIE's (Assumes RS) WB/Class/COD/More
2. NMC - 12 CCIE's (Assumes RS) WB/Class/Some COD/Book
3. HU - 10 CCIE's (Assumes RS) (No Workbook Just
In-Class)
4. NLI / CCBOOTCAMP - 5 RS / 3 Voice (Hot for
Voice)WB/Class/Mini-WorkBooks/More
5. IPEXPERT - 3 RS and 1 Voice WB/Class/COD/More
6. CyscoExpert - 3 RS (One-on-One Training)
=============================================
IE: 21 (some are listed with other vendors)
#17746 Joselito Nunez
#17623 Craig Middlebrooks
#17613 Jerald Hulbert
#17610 Antonio Martin
#17590 Mark Rushby
#17582 Mandebis Ably
#17561 Luqman Kondeth
#17559 Ram Patla
#17518 Andre Serrao
#17516 Clifton Folkerts
#17474 Kemal Haydar
#17471 Colm O'Leary
#17457 Robert Watson
#17447 Vlaho Jemin
#17439 Michael Marran
#17409 Jim White
#17403 Vladimir Starovatov
#17401 Jeff Stevenson
#17390 Abhi Gupta
#17389 Luke Lambert
#17381 Nick Griffin
NMC: 12 RS
Joselito Nunez CCIE# 17746
Craig Middlebrooks CCIE# 17623
Jerald Hulbert CCIE# 17613
Mandebis Ably CCIE# 17582
Luqman Kondeth CCIE# 17561
Andre Serrao CCIE# 17518
Terry Smith CCIE# 17499
Aaron Aday CCIE# 17475
Prio Utomo CCIE# 17431
Peter Mesjar CCIE# 17428
Marcel Roy CCIE# 17418
Nick Griffin CCIE# 17381
IPExpert: 3 RS and 1 Voice
Andre Serrao CCIE #17518 (R&S)
Peter Mesjar CCIE #17428 (R&S)
Alejandro Alejo CCIE #17391 (Voice)
Nick Griffin CCIE #17381 (R&S)
CCBOOTCAMP: 5 RS / 3 Voice
Luqman Kondeth 17561 (R&S)
Sebastian Pasternacki 17541 (R&S)
Robert Hugo 17494 (Voice)
Robert Watson 17457 (R&S)
Jim White 17409 (R&S)
Alejandro Alejo 17391 (Voice)
Nick Griffin 17381 (R&S)
HU: (Note no workbooks - only classes and some with only 1 or 2 students)
10
17409, 17470, 17517, 17540, 17612, 17637, 17651, 17652, 17711, 17746
CyscoExpert: 3 RS? (One-on-One Training)
Terry Smith, CCIE #17499
Clifton Folkerts, CCIE #17516
Wageh Eid, CCIE #17569
--- Sean.Zimmerman@clubcorp.com wrote:
> Just found out at 1:00 AM this morning that I failed my third attempt
> at San Jose. I'm tempted to submit for a reread, but I'm a little
> discouraged by that 0.5% statistic. Yesterday's lab seemed easy, I
> only had to skip 5 points worth of sections and I finished about an
> hour early. I really thought that I'd nailed it. I wasn't certain
> about a
> 2 point category, but
> it turned out that I got it based on my score report, so based off my
> point tracking, I should've scored with a 95%. Less than 80% seemed
> impossible.
>
> I'm thinking about trying a different workbook. I'm using IPExpert V9
> right now, and I don't have the proctor guide. I've been flying
> through (most of) those labs, and my configs match the final configs.
> Nothing against IPExpert, but I think it would be good to change the
> scene just a little. I attended an IPExpert bootcamp with the infamous
> and extremely knowledgeable Scott Morris back in November, and I've
> heard that you're supposed to use a different Vendor's workbook than
> the one providing the bootcamp. I'm considering IE or NM, anyone have
> any recommendations? I'm strongly considering IE because it includes
> the solutions/proctor guide and they seem to be listing a lot of
> CCIE's right now.
>
>
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