From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Apr 17 2007 - 10:23:09 ART
But these are not statistics or percentages.
These are actual people who bought or attended
training and actually passed.
It is also what some vendors use for marketing
purposes.
Don't worry - I'll be a CCIE before too long and may
be up for hire...
--- Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> So in other words this is study with a margin of
> error in the +/- 3000%
> range then.
>
> Statistics are always interesting creatures, but
> ones that should be put in
> proper cages.
>
> :)
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> #153, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> smorris@ipexpert.com
> http://www.ipexpert.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:03 AM
> To: Sean.Zimmerman@clubcorp.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Close but no Cigar (You Asked - the
> Vendor Bakeoff)
>
> Sean,
>
> Here's some "digits" for you just pulled from each
> vendor's website:
>
> To be fair - I started with late February to start
> the numbers from - recall
> some vendors have 10 years and some have less years.
>
>
> ====================================================
>
> Now I picked on Nick Griffin and used his number
> since he passed in Late
> February as a baseline to grab these numbers - and
> since he is on the roster
> of more than a couple of vendors. (No offense Nick)
>
> The truth is - it is hard to tell who made the
> difference with each
> candidate since many use a lot of materials from
> different vendors and each
> vendor claims each CCIE who purchased their
> materials.
>
> Now each vendor may also have other CCIE's who did
> not "call in" their
> number as well so it could be listed - I cannot
> account for that since it is
> not listed.
>
> Some vendors sell their products cheaply and thus
> have a higher market share
> as well and this is not reflected - think ratio.
>
> Some trainers/vendors do not list or it is hard to
> find their current CCIE's
> (like IEMentor) - sorry.
>
> Some trainers cannot post ther students or don't
> post their students (say
> like Paul Borghese for instance who can probably
> claim a lot if the GS list
> itself counts at all).
>
> Lots of things to consider.
>
> It also does not consider how much help a candidate
> may have recived from
> others or vendors on GS, some vendors and their
> employees do quite a bit on
> GS to answer lingering questions and sometimes very
> critical specific
> questions and scenarios.
>
> I can say that you need to read my posts and look at
> this list from the past
> 2 months or so and draw your own conclusions - some
> said I was biased - the
> numbers are what they are.
>
> Remember there is no accounting for ratio, but if
> ratio were important to
> you, you would be well-advised to look twice or even
> three times if you
> missed a very simple fact.
>
> So when you see class-only or one-on-one it is hard
> but there classes and
> tutelege are sparse and they rarely have large
> classes to draw success
> stories from.
>
> If three go in and three come out CCIE's, what can I
> tell you.
>
> And there's a training center in China called
> www.ccxx.net with several
> month programs of study that simply builds CCIE's
> eventually.
>
> Oh yes - I did not count anyone I (or others) may
> have worked with - wink
> wink... You know who you are. :)
>
> No accounting for personal study friends or
> study-groups either.
>
> ==============================================
>
> 1. IE - 21 CCIE's (Assumes RS) WB/Class/COD/More
>
> 2. NMC - 12 CCIE's (Assumes RS) WB/Class/Some
> COD/Book
>
> 3. HU - 10 CCIE's (Assumes RS) (No Workbook Just
> In-Class)
>
> 4. NLI / CCBOOTCAMP - 5 RS / 3 Voice (Hot for
> Voice)WB/Class/Mini-WorkBooks/More
>
> 5. IPEXPERT - 3 RS and 1 Voice WB/Class/COD/More
>
> 6. CyscoExpert - 3 RS (One-on-One Training)
>
>
> =============================================
>
> IE: 21 (some are listed with other vendors)
>
> #17746 Joselito Nunez
> #17623 Craig Middlebrooks
> #17613 Jerald Hulbert
> #17610 Antonio Martin
> #17590 Mark Rushby
> #17582 Mandebis Ably
> #17561 Luqman Kondeth
> #17559 Ram Patla
> #17518 Andre Serrao
> #17516 Clifton Folkerts
> #17474 Kemal Haydar
> #17471 Colm O'Leary
> #17457 Robert Watson
> #17447 Vlaho Jemin
> #17439 Michael Marran
> #17409 Jim White
> #17403 Vladimir Starovatov
> #17401 Jeff Stevenson
> #17390 Abhi Gupta
> #17389 Luke Lambert
> #17381 Nick Griffin
>
>
> NMC: 12 RS
>
> Joselito Nunez CCIE# 17746
> Craig Middlebrooks CCIE# 17623
> Jerald Hulbert CCIE# 17613
> Mandebis Ably CCIE# 17582
> Luqman Kondeth CCIE# 17561
> Andre Serrao CCIE# 17518
> Terry Smith CCIE# 17499
> Aaron Aday CCIE# 17475
> Prio Utomo CCIE# 17431
> Peter Mesjar CCIE# 17428
> Marcel Roy CCIE# 17418
> Nick Griffin CCIE# 17381
>
>
> IPExpert: 3 RS and 1 Voice
>
> Andre Serrao CCIE #17518 (R&S)
> Peter Mesjar CCIE #17428 (R&S)
> Alejandro Alejo CCIE #17391 (Voice)
> Nick Griffin CCIE #17381 (R&S)
>
>
> CCBOOTCAMP: 5 RS / 3 Voice
>
> Luqman Kondeth 17561 (R&S)
> Sebastian Pasternacki 17541 (R&S)
> Robert Hugo 17494 (Voice)
> Robert Watson 17457 (R&S)
> Jim White 17409 (R&S)
> Alejandro Alejo 17391 (Voice)
> Nick Griffin 17381 (R&S)
>
>
> HU: (Note no workbooks - only classes and some with
> only 1 or 2 students)
> 10
>
> 17409, 17470, 17517, 17540, 17612, 17637, 17651,
> 17652, 17711, 17746
>
> CyscoExpert: 3 RS? (One-on-One Training)
>
> Terry Smith, CCIE #17499
> Clifton Folkerts, CCIE #17516
> Wageh Eid, CCIE #17569
>
> --- Sean.Zimmerman@clubcorp.com wrote:
>
> > Just found out at 1:00 AM this morning that I
> failed my third attempt
> > at San Jose. I'm tempted to submit for a reread,
> but I'm a little
> > discouraged by that 0.5% statistic. Yesterday's
> lab seemed easy, I
> > only had to skip 5 points worth of sections and I
> finished about an
> > hour early. I really thought that I'd nailed it. I
> wasn't certain
> > about a
> > 2 point category, but
> > it turned out that I got it based on my score
> report, so based off my
> > point tracking, I should've scored with a 95%.
> Less than 80% seemed
> > impossible.
> >
> > I'm thinking about trying a different workbook.
> I'm using IPExpert V9
> > right now, and I don't have the proctor guide.
> I've been flying
> > through (most of) those labs, and my configs match
> the final configs.
> > Nothing against IPExpert, but I think it would be
> good to change the
> > scene just a little. I attended an IPExpert
> bootcamp with the infamous
> > and extremely knowledgeable Scott Morris back in
> November, and I've
> > heard that you're supposed to use a different
> Vendor's workbook than
> > the one providing the bootcamp. I'm considering IE
> or NM, anyone have
> > any recommendations? I'm strongly considering IE
> because it includes
> > the solutions/proctor guide and they seem to be
> listing a lot of
> > CCIE's right now.
> >
> >
>
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