From: Dan C (cdan2154@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Apr 17 2007 - 10:16:08 ART
How about this scenario: you fork $1200 then by a miracle you pass the exam,
then the good "Supplier of Real Labs" will start black mailing you: since
you are a ccie you can afford to make a small monthly donation into my
account if not I will report to to cisco and you will lose your no ......
all he needs to do is to check your name against the numbers....
There is no short cut to success and our hard work will be rewarded. One
more thing, if you are in IT/networking just to make big bucks you are in
the wrong field, you always have to learn new things just to stay alive...
you will be better off being a plumber....
On 4/17/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Exactly.
>
> What if they were labs pulled from the univercd?
>
> Would you be disappointed?
>
> They would be "Real Cisco CCIE Labs".
>
> Or what if they were labs from a Cisco Press Book that
> has CCIE Labs - are they less real?
>
>
> --- Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Let's say you purchased the labs and they were NOT
> > so real, where would you
> > go to ask for a refund?
> >
> > On 4/17/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey,
> > >
> > > Bsides if your friend spends $1200 for "real labs"
> > -
> > > she's getting jacked anyway - didn't she read
> > GS...
> > >
> > > They are on ebay for like $50.00 or something.
> > >
> > > Dude the guys who sell "real labs" have
> > competition.
> > >
> > > I guess you can't really copyright stolen material
> > in
> > > the first place.
> > >
> > > Besides, how can she be sure about what is a "real
> > > lab" and what is not a "real lab". And as one
> > said if
> > > it in not the whole lab then what is the point
> > anyway.
> > >
> > > And if it is Cisco and they are tracking you, you
> > may
> > > fail anyway - even if you pass.
> > >
> > > I have hundreds of "real labs" and I say hundreds
> > due
> > > to versioning but you get my point. So what is a
> > real
> > > lab?
> > >
> > > Next thing you know you'll get junk mail in your
> > > mailbox at home "Real Labs for $1.00".
> > >
> > > What if we just posted questions and scenarios the
> > > study group day in and day out? Kinda like we do
> > now,
> > > wouldn't those be "real questions".
> > >
> > > Where does it start and where does it end?
> > >
> > > The univercd is free and there are a load of
> > reputable
> > > vendors who sell real labs with detailed solutions
> > > that are in English - the language of the lab.
> > >
> > > "there's no shortcut to success and don't waste
> > time
> > > looking for them." - Colin Powell
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Usman Ali <usman198@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello ,
> > > >
> > > > I can not understand how Indian training
> > institutes
> > > > offering guarantee
> > > > to pass CCIE in 2nd attempt and they are
> > offering
> > > > this in a pakage of
> > > > some 6000 $ , that is a Banglore base institute
> > . I
> > > > personally know 2
> > > > people who could not pass in Belgium then they
> > go
> > > > india and pass CCIE
> > > > with in 2-3 months .
> > > > Why not cisco close down that kind of centers at
> > > > least 2 in Asia (India
> > > > and china).
> > > > When i compare that 6000 $ expense which is
> > nothing
> > > > !!!!!!!!!!!!with
> > > > mine which is more than 10000$ in Last 3 years
> > and
> > > > hardworking and
> > > > still i have to appear and pass CCIE.
> > > >
> > > > Bye
> > > >
> > > > Usman Ali
> > > >
> > > > Darby Weaver wrote:
> > > > > ok 40 hours - it's the red in my eyes -
> > ooops...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> "40 years of CCIE training per year"??? :)
> > > > Sounds
> > > > >> like you've been
> > > > >> working too hard!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It may seem like years, but only days go by!
> > > > (grin)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Every year or so, we always have similar
> > > > >> discussions... We're still here
> > > > >> though!
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > > >> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > >> Darby Weaver
> > > > >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 8:54 AM
> > > > >> To: Lab Dude
> > > > >> Cc: Dan C; Usman Ali; Anthony Bonilla;
> > CCIEwnaB;
> > > > >> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > >> Subject: Re: Why not to use the "real ccie
> > lab"
> > > > >> folks
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Why unfair to those who passed before and why
> > are
> > > > >> they wimps?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> They had to take the lab of their day and it
> > was
> > > > a
> > > > >> challenge.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The community as a whole has grown by leaps
> > and
> > > > >> bounds since the first CCIE
> > > > >> till today.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I can assure you the CCIE's who took the lab
> > 10
> > > > >> years ago had their work cut
> > > > >> out for them then as we do now.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> We have more resources to study, but the lab
> > has
> > > > >> gotten more interesting.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> They had no such resources at the time and if
> > you
> > > > >> look at lab materials from
> > > > >> the past decade you might think some things
> > > > >> simplistic until you try to deal
> > > > >> with things like AppleTalk, Novell, and Vines
> > > > among
> > > > >> other protocols and the
> > > > >> joys they brought to the table.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Nope each generation has challenges.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If the lab goes to 2 day again, 3 day or even
> > 5
> > > > day
> > > > >> there will be those of
> > > > >> us who will pay the price to achieve the
> > > > >> certfication no matter what.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So why even argue the point.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Let the 5-day labs begin now.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cisco was considerate of the candidates then
> > and
> > > > >> will be in the future, and
> > > > >> you wonder why the proctors no longer take
> > the
> > > > time
> > > > >> to discuss scores with
> > > > >> candidates... It was getting spooky to them
> > and
> > > > >> they were getting fearful
> > > > >> of the emotionally distraught folks.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The lab is tense and always will be 1 day or
> > > > more.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> But hey and interview and an oral review are
> > not
> > > > >> unheard of, nor is getting
> > > > >> a peer or a manager or the like to certify
> > that a
> > > > >> candidate has x years of
> > > > >> experience.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Would it really hurt to do these things? And
> > > > what
> > > > >> about continuing
> > > > >> education credit of some sort.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Networkers used to be a nice requirement and
> > it
> > > > went
> > > > >> away. Personally it or
> > > > >> an alternative such as attending at least 40
> > > > years
> > > > >> of CCIE level training
> > > > >> per year would be a minimum in my book.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Guess there would be a lot CCIE's hating me
> > and
> > > > more
> > > > >> loving me if I ever got
> > > > >> the job.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Value would be secured for sure and no one
> > would
> > > > >> fear being called a paper
> > > > >> tiger or even a lab rat.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If you got it you earned it, and if you got
> > it,
> > > > you
> > > > >> continue to earn it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Not much to ask from the most respected cert
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > >> industry.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Why not set the standard?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It's called survival, when only the strong
> > can
> > > > >> survive.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- Lab Dude <ccielabdude@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Whats next? Rename of CCIE to PhD
> > certification?
> > > > >>> Pre-requisite being
> > > > >>> enrolling at a Cisco Academy for 5 years
> > before
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> pursuing the
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> certification?
> > > > >>> If I recall correctly, there are no lab
> > slots
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> available in the near
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> future due to 'high-demand'. Do you really
> > think
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> Cisco has enough
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> resources to allocate for a certification?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Give me a break. This is just a
> > certification
> > > > that
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> needs renewing
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> every 2 years. This is NOT a PhD
> > dissertation.
> > > > At
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> least once you get
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> the PhD degree you hold it for life, not
> > with a
> > > > 2
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> years renewal
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> condition.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> If Cisco was to ever adhere to the rumor, it
> > > > would
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> be extremely unfair
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> to those planning to pursue in the future as
> > > > many
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> wimps have already
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> passed before ;-)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On 4/16/07, Darby Weaver
> > <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Dan,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> You know there is a rumor of a new program
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >> manager
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> to
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> replace Maurilio and that program manager
> > wants
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >> I multiday program
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>> (I think 5-day) and that it would involve
> > just
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >> such an interview
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>> process on day one before a candidate would
> > > > ever
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >> even be allowed to
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> see a
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> rack of gear. Then the candidate would
> > have to
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >> complete each of
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>> several tracks to include all of
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> the
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> older technologies and the newer ones as
> > well.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Just a rumor but my own ears did hear it.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I guess it would be a true Enterprise-Class
> > > > CCIE
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> and
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> wimps need not apply.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> --- Dan C <cdan2154@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> Hi all,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I like the idea Usman put forward by the
> > time
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>> those
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> guys attempt to memorise
> > > > >>>>> 100 labs they will be CCIE's ready without
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>> knowing
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> :) Maybe another way to
> > > > >>>>> move forward is for Cisco to have a live
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>> interview
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> before the day of the
> > > > >>>>> exam, where you may need to answer few
> > basic
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> questions and prove
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>> that you have the experience needed to
> > move to
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> the next level...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>> who knows....
> > > > >>>>> my2cents, Dan
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On 4/17/07, Usman Ali <usman198@gmail.com>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>> Hello all Gurus ,
> > > > >>>>>> I think it is very desperate for the
> > people
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>> who
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> are doing CCIE by studying
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> .
> > > > >>>>>> i am working on ccie from last 1 year and
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >> quit
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> job
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> only for study and my
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> target to pass CCIE in three attempts ,
> > if i
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >> pass end of this
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>>> year what will be the
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>> market
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> of ccie after 3 years
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> when there would be more than 50000 CCIE
> > and
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >> a
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> few
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> thousands with good
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> knowledge ,
> > > > >>>>>> it is very disappointing position is it
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >> better to go with IBM
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>>> certification to
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>> earn
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> IBM cert you need just
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> a few configurations and once a redbook
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >> study
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> of
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> the technology , i
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> passed IBM SAN solution desinger examine
> > 3
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>> years
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> before and it is more
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> easy than even CCNA and have a good
> > market
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>> value
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> too .
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> can cisco make a huge data base of some
> > 100
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>> labs
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> you will get one in
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> examine or something like this to avoid
> > the
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>> fraud
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> .
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> bye
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Usman Ali
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Anthony Bonilla wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> On the same note, one of the proctors in
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> RTP
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> was
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> mentioning that they
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> know
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> that lab exams are leaking out being
> > that
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>> whenever Cisco releases a new
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> exam, the passing rate is real low but
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> after
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> two
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> weeks or so, the
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> passing
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> rate shoots up to 90% - go figure!
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> When everyone in the room asked why
> > Cisco
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>> does
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> not do anything about it,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> he
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> replied that they can't do anything
> > there
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>> because China has no NDA or
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> something to that affect. Or better
> > yet,
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>> Cisco
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> should offering this
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> exam in
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> those countries to begin with but if
> > this
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>> continues to go on and Cisco
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> does
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> not do anything knowing all this is
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>> happening,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> you always wonder if they
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> themselves are involved as well???
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Just my 2 cents.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> On 4/15/07, Darby Weaver
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>> <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> What everyone on this list in a
> > position
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>> hire
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> should do, could do, and ought to do
> > with
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> every
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> single
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> job candidate, CCIE notwithstanding, is
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> set
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>> them down
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> in front of some gear and let them show
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> you
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> how
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> and
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> why they are the person for the job...
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> 2-3 hours in front of gear and you know
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> whether
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> you
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> have a keeper or... NOT.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Lots of people are passing the lab
> > these
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> past
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> few
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> years...
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Not all of them are quite qualified to
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> work
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> on
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> a
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> full-fledged network with "issues".
> > I'm
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> sure
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> most of
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> have worked hard and some for some
> > years,
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> but a
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> few
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> squeak by.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> So... if everyone here and everywhere
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> else
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>> maintains
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> good hiring practices, then I suspect
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> that
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> we
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> will not
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> have this problem of people passing the
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> lab
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> and
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> getting digits by any means necessary.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Not is they know that the cert alone is
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> not
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> a
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> rubber
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> stamp to a CCIE-Level position.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> However with a quick romp to the job
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> boards
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> and
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> seeing
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> postings like:
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> CCNA required and CCIE desired... with
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> MCSE
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> or
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> CNE or
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Unix experience and oh yes, we want the
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>> candidate to
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> install MS SQL or MS Exchange or even
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> handle
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> desktop
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> support issues and Symantec AV etc...
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Hmmm... What is the point...
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Also be careful to apply to jobs that
> > are
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> of a
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> CCIE
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> caliber as well - once you get the
> > grail.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> =====================================
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> One more thing, did anyone ever
> > consider
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> that
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> maybe,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> just maybe, Cisco is the one putting
> > out
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> the
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> "real
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> CCIE Labs" and if they are I suppose
> > the
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>> proctors have
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> a lot of fun watching things not quite
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> work
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> for
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> candidates whenever they pass
> > through...
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Here's a
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> little but not quite a lot...
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> That is kind of sadistic... Especially
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> since
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> they may
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> even have the names of the buyers...
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Hey - how many people come report back
> > on
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> GS
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> and say
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> they cannot figure out what went
> > wrong...
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Hah!
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> LOL
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Hmmm...
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Close but no cigar...
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> --- CCIEwnaB <cciewnab@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> OK smart peeps,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I have a friend who is currently
> > working
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> on
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> her
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> CCNP, and keeps giving me a
> > > > >>>>>>>>> hard time for not having passed the
> > lab
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> yet (1
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> failed attempt under my belt) but I'm
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> still hitting it hard
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> and will be
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>> going back
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> in another 2 moths.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Anyway, she's convinced that when she
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> finishes
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> her
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> last NP test she'll just
> > > > >>>>>>>>> pay the $1200 to the folks who shall
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> remian
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> nameless
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> and study the "3 real
> > > > >>>>>>>>> CCIE labs" and pass on the first
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> attempt."
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> I
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> agree
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> with what's been said
> > > > >>>>>>>>> here so many times before, that the
> > cert
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> only
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> means
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> something if you truly
> > > > >>>>>>>>> are an expert and have earned it. So
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> let's
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> not
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> get
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> everyone all wound up.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> That being said, does anyone have a
> > few
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>> stories I
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> can share with her, that
> > > > >>>>>>>>> might be helpfull in keeping her on
> > the
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> "HIGH
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> ROAD".
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I keep trying to tell
> > > > >>>>>>>>> her, she's going to pay $1200 for a
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> couple
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>> useless
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> old files and then what,
> > > > >>>>>>>>> go to the proctor on test day and say,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> hey
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>> this
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> isn't the test I was
> > > > >>>>>>>>> expecting you must have made a
> > mistake?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are other folks here
> > who
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>> have
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> fallen
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> for it, please share
> > > > >>>>>>>>> your experiences so my friend will see
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> the
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>> light and
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> not surrender to the
> > > > >>>>>>>>> dark side...she knows who she is
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > Narbik Kocharians
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> > CCSI# 30832
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