From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Apr 04 2007 - 00:03:32 ART
Now there's a point.
Traditionally every other vendor has not been able to
advertise on GS.
Perhaps new offerings should be permitted from time to
time if done reasonably and with good taste as in the
fashion that Paul presented with his own offering.
--- Gary Braver <gbraver@fastlanenetworks.com> wrote:
> Why all the fuss.
>
> If Paul wants to offer a CCIE program than great.
> If he wants to interview
> prospects that is his perogerative.
>
> The only question one should ask is whether
> promoting CCIE lab study
> programs is appropriate for the group study list.
> For that I would answer
> that we should allow all members or companies with
> CCIE instructors the
> opportunity to on occasion promote their offerings.
> After all we are
> members of this list with the goal of learning.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:55 PM
> To: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Marvin Greenlee';
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: GroupStudy accelerated CCIE study group
>
> I think the whole concept is nicer, in that if any
> of us got to pick and
> choose our students, the measurable success ratio
> would be significantly
> higher! However, it doesn't always work that way.
>
> But any good instructor should have the ability of
> taking not only the cream
> of the crop to make them pass but also the
> not-so-creamy ones and making
> them closer to pass.
>
> If anyone thinks they can take someone from 0 to
> CCIE in any short period of
> time, I would be asking some serious questions
> having nothing to do with the
> quality of the instructor but rather the materials.
> :)
>
> Remember that the CCIE is not the goal. The CCIE is
> simply a measurable
> achievement of knowledge. Knowledge is the goal.
> Know it and the number
> will come. (My rendition of a Field of Dreams
> (smirk))
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> #153, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> smorris@ipexpert.com
> http://www.ipexpert.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 7:18 PM
> To: Marvin Greenlee; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: GroupStudy accelerated CCIE study group
>
> Wow it sounds personal.
>
> Actually, no disrespect to Paul at all.
>
> But it seems that there should, would, and could be
> more testimonials from
> someone (ANYONE) claiming to guarantee a pass on
> only 6 weeks.
>
> Either that or we have a lot of people who are
> slacking for taking a lot
> longer even years to prep (and this may well be the
> case).
>
> However, I just witnessed ole H. U. do it in just 4
> weeks for the guy with
> the "bloody-red eyes"...
>
> So...
>
> It is is not impossible.
>
> However, the guy with the blood-red eyes also
> attendede NLI previously and
> he had been to the lab twice and was under severe
> duress to preform and he
> did meet the challenge, but he had a lot on his
> mind.
>
> So, I suppose if a properly motivated candidate took
> the course over 6
> weeks, was an adequately prepared (experienced
> CCNP), and had the good study
> habits and the capacity to learn quickly, then I'd
> suppose it could be done
> as a matter of routine.
>
> However, that candidate would be the exception to
> the rule, I would think.
>
> Not impossible, but still rare.
>
> And the capability of the mass of candidates has no
> bearing on a given
> instructor.
>
> As you must know, being an instructor of some repute
> yourself, you will get
> students who are above average and some below
> average.
>
> However, I would be interested in the interview
> process for candidates.
>
> Perhaps that does make up the difference. I wonder
> how many candidates are
> in this class as well.
>
> But no matter what, I would still be interested in
> hearing testimonials from
> those who used any instructor I intended to pay over
> $8000.00 for.
>
> Just being a consumer. Who knows - Atlanta is a
> short shot for me
> plane-wise, and I have a budget that can accomodate
> the pricing.
>
> Answer my questions, and I may perhaps be a suitable
> student?
>
>
> --- Marvin Greenlee <marvin@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>
> > Does the statement really seem that bold? Anyone
> offering two weeks
> > of instructor led training, plus additional study
> sessions in addition
> > to hand selecting motivated candidates should have
> a pretty high level
> > of confidence in the students' preparedness for
> passing.
> >
> > How is this any different from other vendors
> offering a class retake?
> >
> > In the past, many have praised Paul for keeping
> this list going. Are
> > you questioning Paul's abilities as an instructor?
> >
> > Marvin Greenlee
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Darby
> Weaver
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 2:35 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: GroupStudy accelerated CCIE study
> group
> >
> > How many people have taken this course before and
> passed the lab?
> >
> > It says it guarantees that students pass the lab
> or the next attempt
> > is paid for - who has taken the course and passed
> so far?
> >
> > I did not see a list of CCIE's on the site, did I
> miss it?
> >
> >
> > Don't mean to be skeptical, but how can anyone
> make such a bold
> > statement without proof of concept?
> >
> >
> > --- Paul Borghese <pborghese@groupstudy.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I have been receiving a number of the same
> > questions
> > > concerning the program
> > > I would like to clarify:
>
>
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