From: Joe Yohannan (joe1265@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Apr 04 2007 - 09:44:47 ART
Darby, I'm surprised to hear this. Paul B is a HUGE presence in the CCIE
training community from my point of view. I took both the CCIE courses from
global knowledge and thought they were excellent! So consider this a
testimonial. :) i don't have my number yet but will have it soon.
I think it would be informative to all if you took this accelerated class.
That way you can send out daily updates on Paul like you did with H U. (Or
"the one and only" as you refer to him)
- Joe Yo
>From: Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
>To: Marvin Greenlee <marvin@ipexpert.com>, ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: GroupStudy accelerated CCIE study group
>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:14:15 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Point taken but H U does have a lot of smiling
>testimonials on his site.
>
>And if that were not enough, I sat next to a guy who H
>U himself said that the whole group who had just
>completed the three weeks were a bit "slow" and then
>subsequently, I watched the guy through his trials and
>tribulations through his fourth week and then
>subsequently got his call saying he passed and now has
>his digits.
>
>So...
>
>Not that I am saying it cannot be done, I mean Cathay
>and IPSol in China and India do it as well and there's
>a team in Dubai that will do it for you for only
>$6000.00 or so they claim.
>
>But, I find it hard that one can guarantee it.
>
>I guess I could just take the loss the leader for the
>marketing and simply pay up the $1295.00 (isn't the
>lab still $1250.00?).
>
>So if it is a marketing ploy, I suppose it would work.
> Others have similar promises, but few if any ever
>"GUARANTEE" a pass on the CCIE Lab.
>
>Now if one could take the best 10 or 20 recent posters
>on GS, and have one's pick of the litter, then perhaps
>this might be a true statement.
>
>But since only 31 people have passed the lab from U.S.
>during the period from 2/1/2007 to 4/2/2007, I still
>would find it very RARE that anyone could guarantee
>say any given 6-8 candidates a pass on any given day.
>
>Sorry the statistics do not support this.
>
>Even when one considers who many sudents collectively
>attend NMC, NLI, IPExpert, and InternetworkExpert in a
>given month, we all know they do not all attempt or
>even pass the lab immediately after.
>
>It is RARE.
>
>Say the lab in San Jose and the lab in RTP each do
>about 10 RS candidates per day for 20 days or so each
>month.
>
>That's about 400 lab attempts per month, and in the
>last 2 months about 800 attempts - Only 31 U.S.
>Candidates passed RS in the last 2 months or so.
>
>So if someone can inject 6-8 lab candidates into these
>figures, my hat is off to him or them. My question is
>"WHERE ARE THE TESTIMONIALS?"
>
>Paul hosts GS and has done so for about 9 years, I do
>not recall seeing a host of testimonials stating that
>he actually instructed that many or even I dare say
>any of the people who have thanked him for hosting GS.
>
>
>I would have trouble with anyone who "GUARANTEES" a
>pass, even H U does not guarantee it, nor does Bruce
>Caslow, they are wise to understand that there is
>still a matter of interpretation no matter who well
>educated the candidate or how well trained.
>
>BTW - Can't say H U's name since it is filtered.
>Who's wheaties did he step on anyway...?
>
>So is asking for testimonials a bad question?
>
>IPExpert has them.
>NLI has them.
>H U has them.
>InternetworkExpert has tons of them.
>NMC has a legion.
>
>Even Hello, Trinet, IPSol, Fastlane and others have
>them...
>
>Where are the one's certscience? The people who are
>"GUARANTEEING" someone will take their course and
>pass.
>
>Sounds like a gimmick. That's all.
>
>Anyone else think differently?
>
>Anyone here pass after being taught be a CCIE
>Instructor who has taught for at least a few years
>using these techniques?
>
>That's all.
>
>I am not saying there are none, I just don't recall
>seeing them, not to say that Paul has not taught
>others or taught for other companies - perhaps even
>IPExpert.
>
>However, a few testimonials with CCIE #'s behind them
>would enable us as potential customers to line up at
>the door.
>
>The price is much more than reasonable for the amount
>of training.
>
>I love the idea of taking each technology apart - like
>the example of Multicast and 17 configurations.
>
>Most impressive and I've seen Narbik from NLI do this
>with BGP and I'm still trying to find time to get
>through RIP and see what I may have missed.
>
>I've seen what NMC can do to any given topic for
>completeness.
>
>I'm not saying it is impossible or that Paul cannot do
>it. Indeed, if he, as an accomplished CCIE himself
>and as an instructor has been reading the posts on GS
>and breaking topics down for 9 years, then he no doubt
>has the materials and the ability to present them
>would be a given.
>
>The only question is where are the testimonials.
>
>I did realize that the class is only now forming, but
>I would think that such techniques have been used in
>the past or similar techniques. Paul has been an
>instructor for a while now. So surely he has some
>testimonials.
>
>Not much to ask from a program that "guarantees" a
>pass.
>
>
>
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>
>
>--- Marvin Greenlee <marvin@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>
> > A motivated study group goes a long way. Even
> > taking the instructor out of
> > the picture, a group of people discussing each and
> > every topic for a couple
> > of hours each night for four weeks goes a long way
> > towards readiness.
> >
> > I just thought it was odd that a short time ago, you
> > were raving how H U
> > could crank out a CCIE in 3 weeks, and now you seem
> > to question someone who
> > says they can do it in 6 weeks.
> >
> > The guarantee is not that you will pass, but that
> > you will get $1295 back if
> > you don't. Statistically, this doesn't really say
> > anything about the
> > course, it just affects company financials, so they
> > bring in somewhere
> > between $8995 per person (100% pass rate) and $7745
> > per person (0% pass
> > rate).
> >
> > Since the web page says "launches R&S training" on
> > 3/15, I think it's safe
> > to say there aren't any "past candidates" for this
> > particular program.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Darby Weaver [mailto:darbyweaver@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 7:18 PM
> > To: Marvin Greenlee; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: GroupStudy accelerated CCIE study group
> >
> > Wow it sounds personal.
> >
> > Actually, no disrespect to Paul at all.
> >
> > But it seems that there should, would, and could be
> > more testimonials from someone (ANYONE) claiming to
> > guarantee a pass on only 6 weeks.
> >
> > Either that or we have a lot of people who are
> > slacking for taking a lot longer even years to prep
> > (and this may well be the case).
>
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