From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Apr 04 2007 - 10:03:03 ART
Actually Joe,
I was considering taking the class, but I was
thoughtful in considering that I simply had not
recalled seeing a lot of testimonials on Paul's
behalf.
I would guess there would be.
When I had read the methodology it sounded very
thorough, especially with regard to Multicast and
assumably every other topic.
In a manner similar to what Caslow at NMC has done for
the his Video on Demand Series.
And what Narbik at NLI is doing for his new workbook.
These two guys and their respective teams have taken
each topic and explored the most common tested
objectives and given one a complete view of the
subject.
It sounded like Paul is going to do the same thing
with his course of study which is quite commendable.
I have to agree with the other trainers whom I spoke
with both on list and off-list and that a guarantee is
simply that, a payment of up $1295.00 if one should
have to repeat the lab exam.
So I may well consider this option.
For myself, I am nearly there and only need to go to
the lab and prove myself or not, but I still have
training dollars this year to spend in this endeavour,
so I may well be able to try this, assuming I could
get everything approved in time.
--- Joe Yohannan <joe1265@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Darby, I'm surprised to hear this. Paul B is a HUGE
> presence in the CCIE
> training community from my point of view. I took
> both the CCIE courses from
> global knowledge and thought they were excellent!
> So consider this a
> testimonial. :) i don't have my number yet but
> will have it soon.
>
> I think it would be informative to all if you took
> this accelerated class.
> That way you can send out daily updates on Paul like
> you did with H U. (Or
> "the one and only" as you refer to him)
>
> - Joe Yo
>
>
> >From: Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> >To: Marvin Greenlee <marvin@ipexpert.com>,
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >Subject: RE: GroupStudy accelerated CCIE study
> group
> >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:14:15 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Point taken but H U does have a lot of smiling
> >testimonials on his site.
> >
> >And if that were not enough, I sat next to a guy
> who H
> >U himself said that the whole group who had just
> >completed the three weeks were a bit "slow" and
> then
> >subsequently, I watched the guy through his trials
> and
> >tribulations through his fourth week and then
> >subsequently got his call saying he passed and now
> has
> >his digits.
> >
> >So...
> >
> >Not that I am saying it cannot be done, I mean
> Cathay
> >and IPSol in China and India do it as well and
> there's
> >a team in Dubai that will do it for you for only
> >$6000.00 or so they claim.
> >
> >But, I find it hard that one can guarantee it.
> >
> >I guess I could just take the loss the leader for
> the
> >marketing and simply pay up the $1295.00 (isn't the
> >lab still $1250.00?).
> >
> >So if it is a marketing ploy, I suppose it would
> work.
> > Others have similar promises, but few if any ever
> >"GUARANTEE" a pass on the CCIE Lab.
> >
> >Now if one could take the best 10 or 20 recent
> posters
> >on GS, and have one's pick of the litter, then
> perhaps
> >this might be a true statement.
> >
> >But since only 31 people have passed the lab from
> U.S.
> >during the period from 2/1/2007 to 4/2/2007, I
> still
> >would find it very RARE that anyone could guarantee
> >say any given 6-8 candidates a pass on any given
> day.
> >
> >Sorry the statistics do not support this.
> >
> >Even when one considers who many sudents
> collectively
> >attend NMC, NLI, IPExpert, and InternetworkExpert
> in a
> >given month, we all know they do not all attempt or
> >even pass the lab immediately after.
> >
> >It is RARE.
> >
> >Say the lab in San Jose and the lab in RTP each do
> >about 10 RS candidates per day for 20 days or so
> each
> >month.
> >
> >That's about 400 lab attempts per month, and in the
> >last 2 months about 800 attempts - Only 31 U.S.
> >Candidates passed RS in the last 2 months or so.
> >
> >So if someone can inject 6-8 lab candidates into
> these
> >figures, my hat is off to him or them. My question
> is
> >"WHERE ARE THE TESTIMONIALS?"
> >
> >Paul hosts GS and has done so for about 9 years, I
> do
> >not recall seeing a host of testimonials stating
> that
> >he actually instructed that many or even I dare say
> >any of the people who have thanked him for hosting
> GS.
> >
> >
> >I would have trouble with anyone who "GUARANTEES" a
> >pass, even H U does not guarantee it, nor does
> Bruce
> >Caslow, they are wise to understand that there is
> >still a matter of interpretation no matter who well
> >educated the candidate or how well trained.
> >
> >BTW - Can't say H U's name since it is filtered.
> >Who's wheaties did he step on anyway...?
> >
> >So is asking for testimonials a bad question?
> >
> >IPExpert has them.
> >NLI has them.
> >H U has them.
> >InternetworkExpert has tons of them.
> >NMC has a legion.
> >
> >Even Hello, Trinet, IPSol, Fastlane and others have
> >them...
> >
> >Where are the one's certscience? The people who
> are
> >"GUARANTEEING" someone will take their course and
> >pass.
> >
> >Sounds like a gimmick. That's all.
> >
> >Anyone else think differently?
> >
> >Anyone here pass after being taught be a CCIE
> >Instructor who has taught for at least a few years
> >using these techniques?
> >
> >That's all.
> >
> >I am not saying there are none, I just don't recall
> >seeing them, not to say that Paul has not taught
> >others or taught for other companies - perhaps even
> >IPExpert.
> >
> >However, a few testimonials with CCIE #'s behind
> them
> >would enable us as potential customers to line up
> at
> >the door.
> >
> >The price is much more than reasonable for the
> amount
> >of training.
> >
> >I love the idea of taking each technology apart -
> like
> >the example of Multicast and 17 configurations.
> >
> >Most impressive and I've seen Narbik from NLI do
> this
> >with BGP and I'm still trying to find time to get
> >through RIP and see what I may have missed.
> >
> >I've seen what NMC can do to any given topic for
> >completeness.
> >
> >I'm not saying it is impossible or that Paul cannot
> do
> >it. Indeed, if he, as an accomplished CCIE himself
> >and as an instructor has been reading the posts on
> GS
> >and breaking topics down for 9 years, then he no
> doubt
> >has the materials and the ability to present them
> >would be a given.
> >
> >The only question is where are the testimonials.
> >
> >I did realize that the class is only now forming,
> but
> >I would think that such techniques have been used
> in
> >the past or similar techniques. Paul has been an
> >instructor for a while now. So surely he has some
> >testimonials.
> >
> >Not much to ask from a program that "guarantees" a
> >pass.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Marvin Greenlee <marvin@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> >
> > > A motivated study group goes a long way. Even
> > > taking the instructor out of
> > > the picture, a group of people discussing each
> and
> > > every topic for a couple
> > > of hours each night for four weeks goes a long
> way
> > > towards readiness.
> > >
> > > I just thought it was odd that a short time ago,
> you
> > > were raving how H U
> > > could crank out a CCIE in 3 weeks, and now you
> seem
> > > to question someone who
> > > says they can do it in 6 weeks.
> > >
> > > The guarantee is not that you will pass, but
> that
> > > you will get $1295 back if
> > > you don't. Statistically, this doesn't really
> say
> > > anything about the
> > > course, it just affects company financials, so
> they
> > > bring in somewhere
> > > between $8995 per person (100% pass rate) and
> $7745
> > > per person (0% pass
> > > rate).
> > >
> > > Since the web page says "launches R&S training"
> on
> > > 3/15, I think it's safe
> > > to say there aren't any "past candidates" for
> this
> > > particular program.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Darby Weaver
> [mailto:darbyweaver@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 7:18 PM
> > > To: Marvin Greenlee; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: GroupStudy accelerated CCIE study
> group
> > >
> > > Wow it sounds personal.
> > >
> > > Actually, no disrespect to Paul at all.
> > >
> > > But it seems that there should, would, and could
> be
> > > more testimonials from someone (ANYONE) claiming
> to
> > > guarantee a pass on only 6 weeks.
> > >
> > > Either that or we have a lot of people who are
> > > slacking for taking a lot longer even years to
> prep
> > > (and this may well be the case).
> >
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
> >Subscription information may be found at:
> >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>
>
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.4 : Tue May 01 2007 - 08:28:34 ART