From: Wajid Khan (wajid.ccie@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Feb 17 2007 - 01:42:25 ART
I am relatively new to this forum. I attended ccbootcamp class late last
year with Narbik Kocharian. I can honestly say tha he is an excellent
instructor for CCIE and I learned tons of stuff from him. He was very
thorough and answered all the questions with command. I would highly
recommend him to everyone. Also, the bootcamps are usually more useful if
you are only 4-6 weeks away from taking the Lab exam.
Wajid Khan
>
> Saurabh,
> Welcome to Groupstudy's CCIE List.
>
> I'll assume you have passed the CCIE Written Exam, and
> if so have a certain familiarity with most topics that
> are on the lab.
>
> 1. Go to cisco.com/go/ccie and take a look around
> there - you will find the CCIE Lab Outline among other
> things.
>
> 2. If you decide to go with a vendor, there are
> several and since you got this far, you probably are
> quite proficient with using search tools - this forum
> has answered this question at least hundred if not a
> thousand times already and the answers have not really
> changed that much over the years and no matter how
> many times asked.
>
> I will tell you that currently, I myself have had good
> experience with all vendor workbooks (yep - I have
> used them all if nothing else than for additional
> reading material), and I am going to instead point you
> to another direction - first.
>
> Not that you cannot just totally blow me off and think
> I am a bit insane for suggesting you actually read the
> books, do some real exrecises, and gain additional
> insight before asking the vendors to simply fill your
> head with concepts, terms, tips, tricks and valuable
> advice that you are probably not yet ready to
> comprehend yet. And no offense is intended - none at
> all.
>
>
>
> Since you are new, go to lulu.com and search for CCIE,
> you will find Tom Larus, he offers a free guide to the
> CCIE Lab. It is dated and is not quite up to date,
> but you owe it to yourself to have a look and it is
> free so it won't hurt to look.
>
> Here is the specific link:
>
>
>
http://www.lulu.com/browse/search.php?_shopSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fbrowse%2Fsearch.php&_helpSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fhelp%2Fsearch.php&_forumSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fforums%2Fsearch.php%3Fmode%3Dresults&search_forum=-1&search_cat=2&show_results=topics&return_chars=200&search_keywords=&keys=&fSearch=ccie&fSearchFamily=0
>
> Watch the wrap.
>
> Not to insult but if you search lulu.com for CCNA, you
> might also find CCNA - Learning by Doing.
>
>
>
http://www.lulu.com/browse/search.php?_shopSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fbrowse%2Fsearch.php&_helpSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fhelp%2Fsearch.php&_forumSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fforums%2Fsearch.php%3Fmode%3Dresults&search_forum=-1&search_cat=2&show_results=topics&return_chars=200&search_keywords=&keys=&fSearch=ccna&fSearchFamily=0
>
> So either way you can download free or purchase a
> printed copy for easy reading.
>
> I would advise starting here first. Get a feel for
> things.
>
> Now that you have read these and hopefully done these
> exercises and got into the groove of expectations.
>
> Go to ebay.
>
> Perform a search on CCIE. Look for a guy named Matt
> Weber.
>
> He offers a quick CCIE RS lab Outline - perhaps
> 150-200 pages or so that he will send you a print copy
> of.
>
> Nice package with a lot of experience and practical
> advice for a little pocket change.
>
> Again, I'm going to hep you out:
>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/CCIE-Lab-Study-Guide_W0QQitemZ300081690012QQihZ020QQcategoryZ51202QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Now I have found the following items to be invaluable
> and each of the vendors in question will reference you
> to them as well - so I'll save you the trouble and
> tell you now.
>
> 1. InternetworkExpert.com - Tons of good and free
> links and tips on their site - NTP, FRTS, and Subnet
> Mask Calculations come to my mind - but there is a lot
> more there for free and available just for stopping
> by. - By the way the three I just mentioned to you
> are probably worth at least 8-9 points on your lab
> whenever you go.
>
> 2. Netmasterclass.com - they have a wealth of papers
> on their site and there are probably 20-30 pdfs freely
> available for your usage and perusal - take a look and
> enjoy the free scenery. - Things like Multicast,
> Native VLAN, Redistribution, BGP topics, RIP, etc.
> stand out like a sore thumb and will likely serve you
> well in the lab - 10-12 points or so.
>
> 3. IPExpert.com - Join get an account - take
> adavantage of the CCNP and CCIE eScnearios - here you
> will find a wealth of knoweldge freely available. I'd
> say you can round up at least another 10-12 points not
> covered anywhere up above or below. So get them while
> they last.
>
> 4. CCBootcamp.com - look around they might refer you
> to their Public FTP Site and if you are keen enough to
> find it, you will also have found a wealth of items
> that you may want to peruse including some current and
> relevant CCIE Advice and lots of other freebies as
> well - Frame Relay Setup is there as I recall - just a
> lot of good overall and general info. I'm sure a
> careful eye can find some items that will save some
> pitfalls later.
>
> 5. http://www.cisco.com/univercd/home/home.htm - Make
> it your homepage. Bookmark it. Learn it, Live it, Eat
> it, Sleep it, and I even want you to be like Alice in
> Wonderland and dream it.
>
> Every vendor will point you here - recall what I told
> you about searching, I want you to use this every time
> you have a problem, a doubt, a concern, etc. If you
> see a table, find it in here. Regular Expressions -
> they are here and I want you to tell me where.
>
> Got it. No forgivemess if you pass this one up.
>
> I'll be you at least 21 point in your lab are going to
> be in here somewhere and you get this resource while
> you are taking the lab.
>
> It is your best friend - get the meet and greet over
> with.
>
>
>
> =======================
>
> Now of you need gear or lab time - Ebay Rulez!
>
> So take a moment and look before you "Buy-it-Now" and
> you'll do quite well.
>
> I do advise you consider rack rental vs. rack
> ownership since if you do the math. Rack Rental may
> be more affordable.
>
> ======================
>
> Finally, about 3 months later...
>
> You are now ready to but some books, allow me to help
> you in your selection - recall you are not yet ready
> for full-scale labs yet.
>
> Cisco Press - TCP/IP Volume I - Doyle - Why not save
> frustration and start right here. There are enough
> labs and every vendor will refernce Doyle - but if you
> are smart you have already been here and done that.
>
> Cisco Press - Cisco Press - Frame Relay Switching -
> Take a moment - buy the book do the practicals and now
> you own a nice layer 2 topic and FRTS as well.
>
> Cisco Press - LAN Switching - Kennedy Clark - Again,
> every single vendor will point you here - save
> yourself some time and read it till you know it - 1x,
> 2x, 3x etc.
>
> At this point, you are a very well-armed consumer and
> you are pretty savvy about IGP's, Frame Relay, and
> Switching topics - even FRTS and some queueing
> techniques.
>
> Now, I ask you to think about where you are and what
> you need next?
>
> So why not consider Dr. Parkhurst, after all he is or
> was a CCIE Lab Proctor and did add a couple of books
> to the selection list.
>
> Cisco Press - OSPF
>
> Cisco Press - BGP
>
> Cisco Press - Troubleshooting Routing Protocols comes
> next. The guys at TAC did some nice work here and you
> can benefit for your lab as well.
>
> Cisco Press - TCP/IP Volume II - You loved Vol I (2nd
> edition), and now you will love Volume II - maybe even
> more. Again all your favorite vendors will suggest
> this one as well.
>
> So by now you have most of your topics well under
> control - but wait there is more:
>
> 1. QoS - Cisco Press has a nice offering by Wendell
> Odom. Take a look - lots of goodies.
>
> 2. IPv6 - Cisco Press has two offerings here that are
> very worthwhile.
>
> 3. Multicast - Allow me to point you again to Dr.
> Parkhurst - this time the book is out of print and the
> publisher is McGrawhill - not the latest information
> in some regards, but an excellent primer. May I
> suggest half.com - might cost you $5.00-$10.00 with
> shipping.
>
> 4. BGP - Cisco Press - Halabi and there is a BGP
> Design offering as well. If you are going to buy one,
> why not buy them both.
>
> 5. Cisco Press - Practical Studies v1/v2 by Karl Solie
> - out of date but hey - it is Cisco Press and it is a
> good structure to 90% of the topics and might be cheap
> on half.com.
>
> 6. CCIE R&S Labs - Cisco Press - 6 more labs - out of
> date... But who is counting. More insight and
> "wording" from the people who love to torture you most
> - you guessed it and Gorito is the author of this
> offering.
>
> ====================================
>
> Now my friend you are 6-12 months into your studies,
> you have read a small library and you might be ready
> to look at our favorite vendors.
>
> You are going to read and practice the technologies at
> least a little bit before you make a major investment
> into bootcamps and lab workbooks, aren't you?
>
> I think you will also have earned a certain respect
> from the vendors when you either meet them in person
> or confer with them through this list.
>
>
> I've given a lot of advice for free - like
> groupstudy.com and other such forums.
>
> Take it for what it is worth. I don't think anyone is
> going to bash me too badly for this one.
>
> Others will have their preferences, but since my
> preferences for vendors is getting to the point where
> I know them all by name, CCIE number, and geographic
> boundary - I might be biased. I also am a customer of
> all of them.
>
> But you asked not which vendor but how to startup.
>
> I gave you an answer.
>
> Others may differ, but I did give you a fair answer
> that is probably worth something if used wisely.
>
> And I know I left off a few things here and there in
> terms of references.
>
> But you are apparently starting fresh - explore
> everyone before you commit your cash and loyalty to
> one or another.
>
> Also, use Google.com
>
> Stick CCIE in their - you might be surprised at what
> you might find.
>
> So good luck and once you are a bit more primed,
> educated and ready, you will be able to make an
> informed decision - you will have visited each of the
> four major vendors on this list and you will probably
> be swayed one way or another based on their offerings
> and what you have red on their respective sites.
>
> If you are like me, you might buy them all and become
> the UBER-CCIE-BUYER...
>
> Or you may decide you to only pick one or two.
>
> Enjoy the journey...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- saurabh khera <saurabhkheraind@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Group,
> >
> > I am starting with CCIE (R&S) LAB preperation ,
> > kindly suggest how to start
> > with from begining.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Saurabh
> > +91-9910462224
> >
> >
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-- Narbik Kocharians CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) CCSI# 30832 Network Learning, Inc. (CCIE class Instructor) www.ccbootcamp.com (CCIE Training)
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