From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Sun Jan 08 2006 - 12:00:37 GMT-3
Well, ok, that had part to do with it.
CEO's of many companies likely don't have a clue what a CCIE is, therefore
you're right, they don't care. However, while a CEO's decision making is
(or should be) financial, there are two sides to it. If you get paid a lot
of money that doesn't always look good. But if you bring in a lot of money,
or save a lot of money for the company, then that makes you valuable. CCIE
or not, a CEO pays attention to that. Or if it's a larger company, then
your director/manager/VP/someone will be looking at those things. I think
you're trying to make layoffs into a black and white decision, which they
are not.
With large company mergers, there may be "redundant" talent. It happens.
But that hardly means that SBC or ATT are the only players around who need
good talent. Nor are they the only ones pondering MPLS.
As for the R&S + Voice concept, you're looking at headhunter brain damage at
its finest. Unfortunately many people have the idea that you may, which is
a CCIE certification doesn't always help you. That translates to "oh look,
many lost their jobs and therefore we can find them cheap", which isn't a
far cry to "can't we up the ante and look for a specialty to create an
unfeasible job market at a pittance pay?".... :)
You're right in that they are both completely different, but. I view it
more like I would expect a neurosurgeon to still be able to make competent
decisions regarding my overall body (hence a NeuroSurgeon is still an MD,
not "just" a brain doctor). Voice is voice, but it still has to run on a
functional network. If you have a crappy network, you're screwed either
way. So having BOTH talents there truly is helpful.
Which to go for? Whatever you want to. Kinda like when we were teenagers
and people were asking "What do you want to do with your life?". Things
haven't changed much, and it's still up to us. There is market to be found.
The more talent and experience you have, the better.
Sorry you're having a bad week though! I hope it gets better!
Scott
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From: CCIEin2006 [mailto:ciscocciein2006@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:05 AM
To: Imal kalutotage
Cc: Scott Morris; Suzan S.; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: SP CCIE
I think what Scott is saying (without putting words in his mouth) is that if
you're good at what you do, you won't get laid off.
What I'm saying is that corporate CEO's don't give a rats a$$ about your
CCIE certification. When its time to cut head count you will get laid off
even if you have six CCIE's. Sure they may keep you around a few extra weeks
(which may be enough time to find another job as you wait for the impending
doom) but the end result is the same.
I'm sorry to sound cynical, but I have a few good friends (one of them is a
brilliant CCIE) who got laid off when the World-CON $hit hit the fan. Then
just when you thought it was safe to go back into the service provider
waters SBC and ATT merged and another one of my talented buddies got laid
off.
Three reasons why the Service Provider track is a bad idea:
1. Dot-bomb - yup we're still in the recession.
2. World-CON - Still feeling that too.
3. Mergers and acquisitions - service providers are consolidating and buying
each other out - which means laying off redundant staff.
I would suggest taking either the Voice track or the Security track - both
of which are hot items right now. Just do a search on your favorite job site
and see how many hits you get for VOIP.
Which brings me to another gripe - why are companies suddenly expecting you
to become an expert at both Routing/Switching and Voice? Isn't that kind of
like expecting a neurosurgeon to also be an expert dentist? We're talking
about two different specialties here! I mean sure there are some
commonalities in the tracks such as QOS but other than that configuring Call
Manager and Unity is a totally separate skill altogether. I firmly believe
that if try to be the jack of all trades you will be the master of none.
I apologize in advance for my bitchy tone, just having a bad week.
On 1/8/06, Imal kalutotage <imal.kalutotage@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Scott,
I didnot understand, your mail at all.. sorry for my poor english..
Can you re-phrase it.. Becase I donot want to miss your valuable inputs..
Because I am also interested in SP track, But if no scope or money in there
then I should spend my time on something else..
Pls advice
Cheers
Imal
On 1/8/06, Scott Morris < swm@emanon.com <mailto:swm@emanon.com> > wrote:
I would hope though, that those being laid off are not the necessary talent
needed to keep things running. Or, on the flip side, there's nothing wrong
with consulting in gigs that deal in those kinds of issues.
And "service provider" is WAY beyond the stereotypical telco structure from
years gone by.
There's plenty of work to be had.
Scott
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
CCIEin2006
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:44 PM
To: Suzan S.
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: SP CCIE
Why bother? Service providers are still laying people off since the dot-bomb
and World-con days...
On 1/6/06, Suzan S. < <mailto:suzan_ccie@yahoo.com> suzan_ccie@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> Dears,
>
> Please anyone took the SP CCIE lab this month? How is the Lab? and is
> there any good preparation workbooks?
>
> Regards
> Suzan
>
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