From: Jake (jakeczyz@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Aug 08 2002 - 22:28:51 GMT-3
Folks with numbers,
Enough has probably been said about the NDA, but I wanted to matter-of-fac
tly state
what I personally am doing when I see a post which is identical to a question I
had on my
exam (as may or may not have happened very recently ;). I'm simply forwarding t
hat
message to "ccie@cisco.com" with the following note:
-----------------
CCIE Program Administrators,
Sorry to bother, but I am forwarding an email which looks like an NDA vio
lation.
Please handle as you see fit or disregard. I'm just concerned about the program
's
integrity.
Thank you,
----------------
If you like, you can do the same. Since I only took it once, I haven't seen man
y
questions. Maybe they'll find repeat offenders and track these dishonest people
down; I
certainly hope they would for what is riding on this cert for everyone. I hope
none of us
would answer one of these questions, especially ones that can be looked up at t
he brain
dump of all brain dumps - CCO (if you ask me what that is, I will shoot you). ;
)
[Please (please!) respond off-line if you have a personal issue with my (or any
) post.
We've filled the list up with enough junk these last few days to last a lifetim
e.] Excuse
me for my contribution to the heap.
IMHO,
Jake
9102
--- Brian Dennis <brian@5g.net> wrote:
> It's sad but true about the NDA violations on this list. The number of
> NDA violations is definitely growing. In a way this list is actually
> hurting the CCIE program because of the small number of people that post
> questions that are clear violations of the NDA.
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> steven.j.nelson@bt.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:52 AM
> To: Mark.Snow@newcome.com; Jeffbk@austin.rr.com;
> omarmasood360@hotmail.com; ccieexam2002@yahoo.com; PImmo@CTITELE.COM;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
>
> Mark
>
> Agreed, but I see more NDA's on this list daily than from any other
> sources
> online. I have taken the a couple of times and it seems almost every day
> there is a question posted with the exact same wording that was on one
> my
> labs...
>
> There seems to be more cheaters lurking and posting to this list than
> just
> this guy.
>
> Just an observation.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Snow, Mark [mailto:Mark.Snow@newcome.com]
> Sent: 07 August 2002 17:59
> To: 'Jeff K'; Omar Masood; CCIE FUN; Immo, Paul; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
>
>
> I don't think this guy should ever get the cert if this is his attitude
> towards cheaters.
> This cert is one of the highest in regards partially because of the
> small
> elite community that makes it up, and their willingness to work together
> as
> a team and help each other. We (not I yet) want to keep it small, so
> that
> junk like this is always excluded from such community.
>
> my 2 cents
>
> Snow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff K [mailto:Jeffbk@austin.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:38 PM
> To: Omar Masood; CCIE FUN; Immo, Paul; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
>
>
> That is an interesting answer. So, you will question the value of the
> CCIE
> because of stuff like that, but will say you don't have the obligation
> to
> notify Cisco of something as major as someone having 4 copies of the lab
> manual because you technically aren't certified yet? No offense, but I
> don't think you have much room to talk about the value of the program...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Omar Masood" <omarmasood360@hotmail.com>
> To: "Jeff K" <Jeffbk@austin.rr.com>; "CCIE FUN"
> <ccieexam2002@yahoo.com>;
> "Immo, Paul" <PImmo@CTITELE.COM>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
>
>
> > thank you for defining the truth, I not certified yet, so I don't
> think
> the
> > non-disclosures concerns me yet.
> > **Omar Masood 360**
> >
> > e/m: omarmasood360@hotmail.com
> > or: omarmasood@aol.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff K" <Jeffbk@austin.rr.com>
> > To: <omarmasood360@hotmail.com>; "CCIE FUN" <ccieexam2002@yahoo.com>;
> "Immo,
> > Paul" <PImmo@CTITELE.COM>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 4:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
> >
> >
> > > As this is somewhat of a religious arguement, I try to avoid even
> getting
> > > involved... But, come on, do you expect everyone to stop pursuing
> their
> > > CCIE because you got your number? As far as number of
> certifications
> go,
> > I
> > > got my number (8007) August 14, 2001. Rick got his number (9482) on
> June
> > > 11, 2002. So, over an approximate 10 month period, that is about
> 150
> > > certifications / month. I'm not saying that is a linear trend (I
> know
> > there
> > > are variables here like 9/11 and the two-day to one-day change) -- I
> have
> > no
> > > desire to look at the data that much. Anyway, Cisco contends that
> the
> > CCIE
> > > is a way to identify people with a certain level of expertise with
> their
> > > hardware / software and various networking concepts. They don't
> promise
> > it
> > > to be the solution to all your problems, nor do they promise you the
> > > greatest jobs making the most money. True, some people get the CCIE
> who
> > > really shouldn't. This happens in every area. Don't try to say
> that
> > > everyone with a college degree is an expert in their field. And,
> there
> > are
> > > people out there willing to cheat to ge the cert. Once again, this
> is
> not
> > a
> > > problem unique to the CCIE. It is up to us to make the decision to
> do
> it
> > > the right way and to notify the program when we find out about this
> stuff.
> > > It is really in our hands to keep the value of the CCIE high. BTW,
> did
> > you
> > > report the guy who had 4 versions of the RS lab booklet? You are
> pretty
> > > much obligated to do so...
> > >
> > > One last thing, once we hit 5-digits, that still means there are
> about
> > 9000
> > > CCIE numbers that have been issued worldwide. Subtract those who
> aren't
> > > current, not working in the field, etc. and it's a much smaller
> number --
> > > still a pretty elite group, I'd say.
> > >
> > > Good luck to all those still pursuing their CCIE,
> > >
> > > -Jeff., CCIE 8007
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <omarmasood360@hotmail.com>
> > > To: "CCIE FUN" <ccieexam2002@yahoo.com>; "Immo, Paul"
> <PImmo@CTITELE.COM>;
> > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:33 AM
> > > Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
> > >
> > >
> > > > I don't make the figures, Cisco do, do you really think they tell
> the
> > > public
> > > > everything? All comes out int the annual reports only. See for ur
> self.
> > > > Cisco along with Microsoft,Oracle and Juniper are companies that
> > > specialise
> > > > in 'generalisation personalisation'. Look around, I have heard
> from a
> > very
> > > > reliable source that he had 4 different variations of RS lab
> booklet
> for
> > > the
> > > > lab - before he sat the exam - he passed with a very high score.
> Look
> up
> > > > what a public must do to stay public. business is business, right?
> > > >
> > > > **Omar Masood 360**
> > > >
> > > > e/m: omarmasood360@hotmail.com
> > > > or: omarmasood@aol.com
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > Wrom: OKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAI
> > > > To: "Immo, Paul" <PImmo@CTITELE.COM>; "'Omar Masood'"
> > > > <omarmasood360@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:22 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: OT: RE: Dark rivers of the heart?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Interesting ......
> > > > > but i don't think that is a valid figure
> > > > > --- "Immo, Paul" <PImmo@CTITELE.COM> wrote:
> > > > > > Where are you getting your figures?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul M. Immo CCDP, CCNP, MCSE
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CTI Telecom
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sr. Solution Engineer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tel: 703-834-1538
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cell: 703-930-5724
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > Wrom: JJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCONEUQZAAFXISHJEXXIMQ
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 10:29 AM
> > > > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > > Subject: Dark rivers of the heart?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With now a reported 100 CCIEs being certified every
> > > > > > 10 days...is it still
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > same certification Cisco have us believe? Think
> > > > > > about it, 100 IEs in such a
> > > > > > short period of time.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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