From: Zhang, Stan (stan.zhang@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Apr 30 2002 - 17:49:10 GMT-3
Toris,
Thank you for your vote of confidence. My since of appreciate is very
warped indeed, but I will forgive your ignorance, because ignorance is
bliss. I will now go back and put my thumb up my ass and go teach the monkey
again.
Best of luck on your teaching and consulting.
Stan Zhang
-----Original Message-----
From: Tshon [mailto:tshon@netzero.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:12 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE #9240
Let me start of by saying congratulations to the Man, that just passed.
I think you all have some very screwed since of appreciation. I have
taught all over the world,
and consulted on some interesting projects.
I have watched lots of the seasoned personel, put out false information
or hord information, to continue
to feel needed. The CCIE cert is a great accomplishment, and takes
dedication, but the amount of experience
is a recommendation not a requirement. Regardless of how long someone
has been in the industry there are
still some that will not attempt to gain the cert because they aren't as
knowledgeable as they have claimed to
be. Funny how none of you listed your certs at the end of your
signature file. I figure you haven't attained the
cert and are just jealous (forgive me if I am wrong). Most of you have
probably voted for unions at one time
or another to secure your jobs.
No, I am not new to the industry and have been in here for 12yrs and I
was in the military. I don't believe
in people who have the experience but lack the knowledge. That just
tells me you know how to point fingers,
and play politics well, and you might be a good manager..... But, can't
fix anything, without requiring a conference
call. This gentlemen has probably provided you with answers to your
experienced questions! Back off, congratulate
and be happy, this started out as one big happy family.... and then
there was you! Glad he didn't work at your companies
he would have had a bigger obstacle, getting past you. As for those
managers/supervisors or even Sr/Lead engineers
is team player another buzzword?
Oh Yea
Toris S Stephens
Tshon Enterprises
CCSI, CCNP, CCNA
Zhang, Stan wrote:
>Rob,
>
>I completely agree with you. Look at me, I'm dumb as a brick and I passed
>my Sysco Certification. All I did was read the OPFS thingie and BBGP
>thingie, and then I spend goobs and goobs of Pesos to buy my way to
>certification. Now that I'm an a Sysco Certified Internal Engineer, I just
>sit in my office with a thumb up my ass. As my idol said once, he can
teach
>a monkey to get 20 points on the lab, well I guess I'm smarter than a
>monkey. Probably not by much.
>
>But getting back to my point, I think everyone on this group should stop
>learning Sysco and get out of this extra-networking field. I personally
>going to become a Concierge, so when someone ask me what I do for a living,
>I can proudly say that I'm an ass kisser.
>
>Thanks Rob for your wonderful letter, let's keep up the good work.
>
>
>SZ
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Carter [mailto:Robert.Carter2@telus.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 9:24 AM
>To: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
>Subject: RE: CCIE #9240
>
>
>Oh boy. I'm gona get some hate mail for this but...
>
>This is clear proof that the CCIE is heading towards MCSE-land. Here is
>another great example of someone who basically had their CCIE bought for
>them. What happed to experience? This person has hardly seen a router 16
>months ago! What does this say about the future of the CCIE? I have worked
>with a disturbingly large amount of CCIEs who inadvertently trash the
>certification because they completely fail in real world environments.
>
>With repetition and incentive you can teach any dog a trick.
>
>Rob
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Church, Chuck [mailto:cchurch@USTA.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:52 AM
>To: 'Khan Munib'; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
>Subject: RE: CCIE #9240
>
>
>Kahn,
>
> Congratulations. It's a tough journey, without a doubt. But your
>persistence paid off.
>
>P.S. The CCIE online store is now open, according to an email I got the
>other day. Nice stuff they've got!
>
>Chuck Church
>Sr. Network Engineer
>CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
>US Tennis Association
>70 W. Red Oak Lane
>White Plains, NY 10604
>914-696-7199
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
>Khan Munib
>Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 6:22 AM
>To: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
>Subject: CCIE #9240
>
>
>Well Finally it my turn to send this mail!!!!!
>
> Passed yesterday in Brussels (3rd attempt). I was beginning to wonder if
I
>would ever get there. Firstly I would like to thank God without who
nothing
>is possible. I would also like to thank my family for their immense
support
>and patience.
>
> It's been a hectic 16 month Journey from Dec 2000 when I attained my CCNA
>and was just getting into networking and had hardly seen a cisco router.
I
>have learnt so much over the last year, when I look back I cant believe how
>far I've come. My company, Fujitsu (formerly ICL) has given me excellent
>support and carried the bill for all my exam attempts etc. I would also
>like to send a special Thank you to all at Netlogic Consulting, They have
>guided me along the whole path through CCNA, NP and IE. Their courses were
>excellent and their after sales support proved invaluable to me in getting
>prepared for the LAB. I would seriously recommend any of you guys in the
>UK who are looking for a CCIE prep course to consider them,
>www.netlogicconsulting.com, their lab scenarios were key to me
understanding
>and learning all the different technologies.
>
>This list has also provided a great resource to find out info for
>me.......Although I have been a relatively passive member I have learnt a
>great deal from the discussions and also been greatly amused by some of the
>OT discussions. Keep up the hard work everyone and don't give
>up.........everyone can get there in the end.
>
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that
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>
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