Re: frog is quad ccie now - wtf?

I would focus on DC and Security besides the R&S, Python is also good to
know.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:43 AM, Andrew Podosenin <
andrew.podosenin_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Experts,
>
> So, if you were to start your career today, what skills would you sharpen
> besides passing CCIE R&S lab? Things that come to my mind are:
>
> Hands-on PfR, hands-on SDN, design to CCDP level, some IOS-XR, some NX-OS,
> deeper knowledge of EEM, one scripting language (Perl or Python), TRILL or
> equivalent.
>
> Did I miss much?
>
> Andrew
>
> P.S. I fully understand that extensive industry experience is required, I
> am
> asking about the areas of concentration.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> gaston brait
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 5:53 PM
> To: Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: Naveen; Radioactive Frog; Chris Rae; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: frog is quad ccie now - wtf?
>
> The programmability is only one side of what aci is trying to do.
> It is also a change on how we design networks, and most of our core
> networking skills will remain relevant ( ACI is an IS-IS underlay fabric
> with vxlan as the overlay) MP-BGP is user to inject external routes. All
> the
> programming you will do to enable the contracts so the epg can talk to each
> other, will still be based on networking principles.
>
> I do see programming making it's way into part of the skillset that will be
> needed, but no the core.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 19, 2015, at 5:33 PM, Narbik Kocharians
> <narbik_at_micronicstraining.com> wrote:
> >
> > Do you know that there is a shortage of CCIEs in the world?
> >
> > Yes, I agree eventually things will evolve, but ACI will not take over
> > such that your knowledge of R&S, Security, SP, Wireless, Storage and
> > etc etc will become obsolete. ACI will be another topic another
> > technology, another way of doing things. ACI is not for every company.
> >
> > From time to time I work for Cisco, IBM, TTI, and train students from
> > Accenture, WWF and many more and I talk to them about their new
> > project, and I don't think that I am clueless.
> >
> >> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Naveen <navin.ms_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Narbik - You misunderstood. My ccie was definitely useful until now,
> >> but don't think it will be valued the same going forward.. Neither
> >> Programming nor Networking is rocket science. Both needs good amount
> >> of dedication to be productive. Whether a programmer needs to be
> >> taught Networking or vice-versa is certainly a different topic and
> >> needs due discussion in another thread. I'll let folks decide and choose
> for themselves.
> >>
> >> Naveen.
> >>
> >> PS: For disclosure sake, I've done Programming, Networking and worked
> >> for Cisco, Ericsson. Looking at present and whats coming in near
> >> future, I know what am talking about.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Narbik Kocharians <
> >> narbik_at_micronicstraining.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> So your knowledge of CCIE in any track is useless? Try to teach a
> >>> programmer networking.
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Naveen <navin.ms_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Please allow me to say something here. Don't bet on CCIE alone.
> >> Networking
> >>>> Landscape has changed. The market is asking for more DevOps style
> >>>> work than traditional LAN/WAN admin style jobs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Skills such as Python and REST APIs to control routers/switched,
> >>>> Application based Networking using Open Stack, Open Daylight ,
> >>>> OpenFlow are starting to gain importance. These new technologies
> >>>> are designed for networks to be automatable and reconfigurable in
> >>>> real time, which should eventually render traditional CCIEs less
> >>>> useful. Depending on how much
> >> of
> >>>> one's active career left, it's time to consider this change.
> >>>>
> >>>> You might argue our protocols might not change, but that might be
> >>>> true
> >> in
> >>>> the near term (2-3 years). Just look around and see what Open
> >>>> Networking standards and protocols have done in the last 2-3 years
> >>>> for Data
> >> centers,
> >>>> Enterprises, and Service Providers. Its time our CCIE training
> >>>> partners re-brand themselves to this new wave.
> >>>>
> >>>> Naveen.
> >>>> CCIE25432.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015, Narbik Kocharians <
> >>>> narbik_at_micronicstraining.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Congratulations mate. Well done.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 4:41 AM, Radioactive Frog <
> >> pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
> >>>>> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Chris,
> >>>>>> I know where you are coming from. Most CCIE (not everyone) would
> >>>> design,
> >>>>>> production environment in the lab way!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have seen them in real action where those lab engineer never
> >>>>>> seen
> >> a
> >>>>> real
> >>>>>> gear and don't know what really the RJ45 console vs DB9 pin looks
> >>>> like.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In my last role a newly minted out uni double CCIE asked me what
> >>>>>> is
> >>>> ATM.
> >>>>> He
> >>>>>> said "i know" but i wanted to confirm. I said what do u know then
> >>>>>> he
> >>>>> said -
> >>>>>> Is it ATM machine where we withdraw money and that ATM connected
> >>>>>> to ethernet interface. He was fresh from university with 2XCCIE
> >>>> (RS/SEC). I
> >>>>>> was like.... wtf. I jokingly said "yes' ATM is the WALL where you
> >>>>>> go
> >>>> pull
> >>>>>> money (but only $100 dollars notes).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Shocking!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Chris Rae <chris.rae07_at_me.com
> >>>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Quad CCIE is an awesome effort.....as long as you dont design
> >>>>> production
> >>>>>>> environments like the Lab then we are all fine! b :o8
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 18 Apr 2015, at 4:32 pm, Radioactive Frog <
> >> pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
> >>>>> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Gents,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Finally, some good news...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My target is to stop studying by 2017. No more study afterward.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://bhatkoti.com/2015/04/16/another-quad-ccie-in-downunder/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Are 4xCCIE good enough? What are your thoughts?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -frog
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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