Re: frog is quad ccie now - wtf?

Hubert,

Thanks for the explanation. I remember the saying by hockey player Wane
Gretzky: bI skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has
been.b
So, I am trying to better understand where the puck is going in networking
world. Originally I thought it would be PfR, now I think it is the SDN. My
friends have successfully identified the explosion of VoIP and multicast
for high-frequency trading. Both are quite happy now. I am not sure whatbs
the next big one.

As to the personal competencies, I have 5-6 years of networking experience,
CC[N,S,D,I]P, extensive Check Point and ISS, some Sonic Wall and Netscreen.
Have interest in SP stuff, hate voice, do not care for storage or design,
do not mind wireless and security. Went to the Triangle several times. Last
summer aced the troubleshooting but failed the build (~60%). Have some
formal education (PhD in comp chem. and MS in CS).

Trying to better understand what should be added to my skill set. Most
importantly b I do not see where the puck is now going. If you have any
ideas on the subject b please share.

Regards,

Andrew

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Hubert Hinsley <hubert.hinsley_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Andrew,
> From what I see hear in the UK, as well as good all round Cisco R&S
> skills, a network engineer will certainly need to have knowledge of Nexus
> and Juniper.
> This is for what I would call layer-2/layer-3 "connectivity" skills and
> experience.
> Alternatively, for those roles with a security focus, ASA/CheckPoint/Palo
> Alto/Fortinet/Juniper is in demand.
> For those roles with a load-balancing focus then you should look at F5,
> NetScaler and ACE.
> For those roles with an SP focus, then definitely IOS-XR, Juniper Junos,
> and Alcatel exposure too.
> You will quite likely be asked to have a mix of all of the above, with
> maybe some skills being more important than the others depending on the
> specific role and situation.
> But I guess you cannot do the 'high-end' stuff unless you have a good
> understanding of the basics.
> So I would start from a Cisco R&S foundation, which I would consider to be
> pretty essential, and build from there, depending on what interests you.
> Obviously, your mileage may vary, depending on where you are. Hope this
> helps.
> Best Regards, Hubert.
>
> On 20 April 2015 at 13:33, Mark <infosecaz_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> if you have solid and genuine experience it s a worthwhile than crap ccie
>> 's , in the market for the last 10 years ccie lab exams are sold out
>> openly in the market , cisco is also aware about it they are playing all
>> dirty tricks to change the labs frequently and again sold in market big
>> money making business
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Andrew Podosenin <
>> andrew.podosenin_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Experts,
>> >
>> > So, if you were to start your career today, what skills would you
>> sharpen
>> > besides passing CCIE R&S lab? Things that come to my mind are:
>> >
>> > Hands-on PfR, hands-on SDN, design to CCDP level, some IOS-XR, some
>> NX-OS,
>> > deeper knowledge of EEM, one scripting language (Perl or Python), TRILL
>> or
>> > equivalent.
>> >
>> > Did I miss much?
>> >
>> > Andrew
>> >
>> > P.S. I fully understand that extensive industry experience is required,
>> I
>> > am
>> > asking about the areas of concentration.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > gaston brait
>> > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 5:53 PM
>> > To: Narbik Kocharians
>> > Cc: Naveen; Radioactive Frog; Chris Rae; Cisco certification
>> > Subject: Re: frog is quad ccie now - wtf?
>> >
>> > The programmability is only one side of what aci is trying to do.
>> > It is also a change on how we design networks, and most of our core
>> > networking skills will remain relevant ( ACI is an IS-IS underlay fabric
>> > with vxlan as the overlay) MP-BGP is user to inject external routes. All
>> > the
>> > programming you will do to enable the contracts so the epg can talk to
>> each
>> > other, will still be based on networking principles.
>> >
>> > I do see programming making it's way into part of the skillset that
>> will be
>> > needed, but no the core.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > > On Apr 19, 2015, at 5:33 PM, Narbik Kocharians
>> > <narbik_at_micronicstraining.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Do you know that there is a shortage of CCIEs in the world?
>> > >
>> > > Yes, I agree eventually things will evolve, but ACI will not take over
>> > > such that your knowledge of R&S, Security, SP, Wireless, Storage and
>> > > etc etc will become obsolete. ACI will be another topic another
>> > > technology, another way of doing things. ACI is not for every company.
>> > >
>> > > From time to time I work for Cisco, IBM, TTI, and train students from
>> > > Accenture, WWF and many more and I talk to them about their new
>> > > project, and I don't think that I am clueless.
>> > >
>> > >> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Naveen <navin.ms_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Narbik - You misunderstood. My ccie was definitely useful until now,
>> > >> but don't think it will be valued the same going forward.. Neither
>> > >> Programming nor Networking is rocket science. Both needs good amount
>> > >> of dedication to be productive. Whether a programmer needs to be
>> > >> taught Networking or vice-versa is certainly a different topic and
>> > >> needs due discussion in another thread. I'll let folks decide and
>> choose
>> > for themselves.
>> > >>
>> > >> Naveen.
>> > >>
>> > >> PS: For disclosure sake, I've done Programming, Networking and worked
>> > >> for Cisco, Ericsson. Looking at present and whats coming in near
>> > >> future, I know what am talking about.
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Narbik Kocharians <
>> > >> narbik_at_micronicstraining.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> So your knowledge of CCIE in any track is useless? Try to teach a
>> > >>> programmer networking.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Naveen <navin.ms_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Please allow me to say something here. Don't bet on CCIE alone.
>> > >> Networking
>> > >>>> Landscape has changed. The market is asking for more DevOps style
>> > >>>> work than traditional LAN/WAN admin style jobs.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Skills such as Python and REST APIs to control routers/switched,
>> > >>>> Application based Networking using Open Stack, Open Daylight ,
>> > >>>> OpenFlow are starting to gain importance. These new technologies
>> > >>>> are designed for networks to be automatable and reconfigurable in
>> > >>>> real time, which should eventually render traditional CCIEs less
>> > >>>> useful. Depending on how much
>> > >> of
>> > >>>> one's active career left, it's time to consider this change.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> You might argue our protocols might not change, but that might be
>> > >>>> true
>> > >> in
>> > >>>> the near term (2-3 years). Just look around and see what Open
>> > >>>> Networking standards and protocols have done in the last 2-3 years
>> > >>>> for Data
>> > >> centers,
>> > >>>> Enterprises, and Service Providers. Its time our CCIE training
>> > >>>> partners re-brand themselves to this new wave.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Naveen.
>> > >>>> CCIE25432.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015, Narbik Kocharians <
>> > >>>> narbik_at_micronicstraining.com>
>> > >>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Congratulations mate. Well done.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 4:41 AM, Radioactive Frog <
>> > >> pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
>> > >>>>> <javascript:;>>
>> > >>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Hi Chris,
>> > >>>>>> I know where you are coming from. Most CCIE (not everyone) would
>> > >>>> design,
>> > >>>>>> production environment in the lab way!
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> I have seen them in real action where those lab engineer never
>> > >>>>>> seen
>> > >> a
>> > >>>>> real
>> > >>>>>> gear and don't know what really the RJ45 console vs DB9 pin looks
>> > >>>> like.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> In my last role a newly minted out uni double CCIE asked me what
>> > >>>>>> is
>> > >>>> ATM.
>> > >>>>> He
>> > >>>>>> said "i know" but i wanted to confirm. I said what do u know then
>> > >>>>>> he
>> > >>>>> said -
>> > >>>>>> Is it ATM machine where we withdraw money and that ATM connected
>> > >>>>>> to ethernet interface. He was fresh from university with 2XCCIE
>> > >>>> (RS/SEC). I
>> > >>>>>> was like.... wtf. I jokingly said "yes' ATM is the WALL where you
>> > >>>>>> go
>> > >>>> pull
>> > >>>>>> money (but only $100 dollars notes).
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Shocking!
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Chris Rae <chris.rae07_at_me.com
>> > >>>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Quad CCIE is an awesome effort.....as long as you dont design
>> > >>>>> production
>> > >>>>>>> environments like the Lab then we are all fine! b :o8
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Chris
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> On 18 Apr 2015, at 4:32 pm, Radioactive Frog <
>> > >> pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
>> > >>>>> <javascript:;>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Gents,
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Finally, some good news...
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> My target is to stop studying by 2017. No more study afterward.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> http://bhatkoti.com/2015/04/16/another-quad-ccie-in-downunder/
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Are 4xCCIE good enough? What are your thoughts?
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> -frog
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
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