Re: frog is quad ccie now - wtf?

Narbik - You misunderstood. My ccie was definitely useful until now, but
don't think it will be valued the same going forward.. Neither Programming
nor Networking is rocket science. Both needs good amount of dedication to
be productive. Whether a programmer needs to be taught Networking or
vice-versa is certainly a different topic and needs due discussion in
another thread. I'll let folks decide and choose for themselves.

Naveen.

PS: For disclosure sake, I've done Programming, Networking and worked for
Cisco, Ericsson. Looking at present and whats coming in near future, I know
what am talking about.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Narbik Kocharians <
narbik_at_micronicstraining.com> wrote:

> So your knowledge of CCIE in any track is useless? Try to teach a
> programmer networking.
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Naveen <navin.ms_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please allow me to say something here. Don't bet on CCIE alone. Networking
>> Landscape has changed. The market is asking for more DevOps style work
>> than
>> traditional LAN/WAN admin style jobs.
>>
>> Skills such as Python and REST APIs to control routers/switched,
>> Application based Networking using Open Stack, Open Daylight , OpenFlow
>> are
>> starting to gain importance. These new technologies are designed for
>> networks to be automatable and reconfigurable in real time, which should
>> eventually render traditional CCIEs less useful. Depending on how much of
>> one's active career left, it's time to consider this change.
>>
>> You might argue our protocols might not change, but that might be true in
>> the near term (2-3 years). Just look around and see what Open Networking
>> standards and protocols have done in the last 2-3 years for Data centers,
>> Enterprises, and Service Providers. Its time our CCIE training partners
>> re-brand themselves to this new wave.
>>
>> Naveen.
>> CCIE25432.
>>
>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015, Narbik Kocharians <
>> narbik_at_micronicstraining.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Congratulations mate. Well done.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 4:41 AM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
>> > <javascript:;>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Chris,
>> > > I know where you are coming from. Most CCIE (not everyone) would
>> design,
>> > > production environment in the lab way!
>> > >
>> > > I have seen them in real action where those lab engineer never seen a
>> > real
>> > > gear and don't know what really the RJ45 console vs DB9 pin looks
>> like.
>> > >
>> > > In my last role a newly minted out uni double CCIE asked me what is
>> ATM.
>> > He
>> > > said "i know" but i wanted to confirm. I said what do u know then he
>> > said -
>> > > Is it ATM machine where we withdraw money and that ATM connected to
>> > > ethernet interface. He was fresh from university with 2XCCIE
>> (RS/SEC). I
>> > > was like.... wtf. I jokingly said "yes' ATM is the WALL where you go
>> pull
>> > > money (but only $100 dollars notes).
>> > >
>> > > Shocking!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Chris Rae <chris.rae07_at_me.com
>> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Quad CCIE is an awesome effort.....as long as you dont design
>> > production
>> > > > environments like the Lab then we are all fine! b :o8
>> > > >
>> > > > Chris
>> > > >
>> > > > > On 18 Apr 2015, at 4:32 pm, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
>> > <javascript:;>>
>>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Gents,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Finally, some good news...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > My target is to stop studying by 2017. No more study afterward.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > http://bhatkoti.com/2015/04/16/another-quad-ccie-in-downunder/
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Are 4xCCIE good enough? What are your thoughts?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -frog
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
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