Re: frog is quad ccie now - wtf?

Do you know that there is a shortage of CCIEs in the world?

Yes, I agree eventually things will evolve, but ACI will not take over such
that your knowledge of R&S, Security, SP, Wireless, Storage and etc etc
will become obsolete. ACI will be another topic another technology, another
way of doing things. ACI is not for every company.

From time to time I work for Cisco, IBM, TTI, and train students from
Accenture, WWF and many more and I talk to them about their new project,
and I don't think that I am clueless.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Naveen <navin.ms_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Narbik - You misunderstood. My ccie was definitely useful until now, but
> don't think it will be valued the same going forward.. Neither Programming
> nor Networking is rocket science. Both needs good amount of dedication to
> be productive. Whether a programmer needs to be taught Networking or
> vice-versa is certainly a different topic and needs due discussion in
> another thread. I'll let folks decide and choose for themselves.
>
> Naveen.
>
> PS: For disclosure sake, I've done Programming, Networking and worked for
> Cisco, Ericsson. Looking at present and whats coming in near future, I know
> what am talking about.
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Narbik Kocharians <
> narbik_at_micronicstraining.com> wrote:
>
> > So your knowledge of CCIE in any track is useless? Try to teach a
> > programmer networking.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Naveen <navin.ms_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Please allow me to say something here. Don't bet on CCIE alone.
> Networking
> >> Landscape has changed. The market is asking for more DevOps style work
> >> than
> >> traditional LAN/WAN admin style jobs.
> >>
> >> Skills such as Python and REST APIs to control routers/switched,
> >> Application based Networking using Open Stack, Open Daylight , OpenFlow
> >> are
> >> starting to gain importance. These new technologies are designed for
> >> networks to be automatable and reconfigurable in real time, which should
> >> eventually render traditional CCIEs less useful. Depending on how much
> of
> >> one's active career left, it's time to consider this change.
> >>
> >> You might argue our protocols might not change, but that might be true
> in
> >> the near term (2-3 years). Just look around and see what Open Networking
> >> standards and protocols have done in the last 2-3 years for Data
> centers,
> >> Enterprises, and Service Providers. Its time our CCIE training partners
> >> re-brand themselves to this new wave.
> >>
> >> Naveen.
> >> CCIE25432.
> >>
> >> On Sunday, April 19, 2015, Narbik Kocharians <
> >> narbik_at_micronicstraining.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Congratulations mate. Well done.
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 4:41 AM, Radioactive Frog <
> pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
> >> > <javascript:;>>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi Chris,
> >> > > I know where you are coming from. Most CCIE (not everyone) would
> >> design,
> >> > > production environment in the lab way!
> >> > >
> >> > > I have seen them in real action where those lab engineer never seen
> a
> >> > real
> >> > > gear and don't know what really the RJ45 console vs DB9 pin looks
> >> like.
> >> > >
> >> > > In my last role a newly minted out uni double CCIE asked me what is
> >> ATM.
> >> > He
> >> > > said "i know" but i wanted to confirm. I said what do u know then he
> >> > said -
> >> > > Is it ATM machine where we withdraw money and that ATM connected to
> >> > > ethernet interface. He was fresh from university with 2XCCIE
> >> (RS/SEC). I
> >> > > was like.... wtf. I jokingly said "yes' ATM is the WALL where you go
> >> pull
> >> > > money (but only $100 dollars notes).
> >> > >
> >> > > Shocking!
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Chris Rae <chris.rae07_at_me.com
> >> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Quad CCIE is an awesome effort.....as long as you dont design
> >> > production
> >> > > > environments like the Lab then we are all fine! b :o8
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Chris
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > On 18 Apr 2015, at 4:32 pm, Radioactive Frog <
> pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com
> >> > <javascript:;>>
> >>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Gents,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Finally, some good news...
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > My target is to stop studying by 2017. No more study afterward.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > http://bhatkoti.com/2015/04/16/another-quad-ccie-in-downunder/
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Are 4xCCIE good enough? What are your thoughts?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -frog
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> >
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> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
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