Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?

I know about Dora the Explorer, so....I'll work for $150k. :-)

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:50 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I know about DORA, want to pay me $200k ;)
> On Jul 7, 2013 1:47 PM, "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The same 99% of SDN engineers will know little to nothing - like R/S
> > engineers do now...
> >
> > Recall (and I posted it here a few times) we asked 50 (FIFTY) CCIE or
> > senior level engineers for a job interview we conducted for a client to
> > "describe dhcp" and how it works.
> >
> > NONE knew DORA... HOLY COW
> >
> > Never expected that... the offering salary was around $200k.
> >
> > Sad. Very sad.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Jay McMickle
> > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 12:25 PM
> > To: marc abel
> > Cc: sameer khan; Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas; groupstudy
> > Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?
> >
> > LOL. Same here!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE #35355 (R/S,Sec)
> > Sent from my iPhone 5
> >
> > On Jul 7, 2013, at 11:20 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ha!
> > >
> > > We will see. Finishing my VCP at the moment. Looking to start either
> > > the
> > security, data center, or CCDE next year. Still on the fence as to which
> > way to go.
> > >
> > > -Marc
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> Agreed.
> > >>
> > >> PS- that brings us to the point- where is your 2nd IE, Marc? ;)
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE #35355 (R/S,Sec) Sent from my iPhone 5
> > >>
> > >> On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:30 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > If you are afraid of change of technology go into accounting. That
> > hasn't
> > >> > changed much in the last 30 years. I started as Novell Netware
> > certified.
> > >> > Want to guess when the last time I touched IPX/SPX protocol? You
> > >> > see
> > the
> > >> > change, you adapt. Often change in technology brings opportunity
> > >> > because not everyone knows the new stuff yet.
> > >> >
> > >> > The CCIE was never an end point anyway. Once you earn the CCIE
> > >> > route and switch then everyone expects you to be an expert on
> > >> > wireless, or voice,
> > or
> > >> > some other technology as well. Keep learning or wither and die in
> > >> > this business.
> > >> >
> > >> > -Marc
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Jay McMickle
> > >> > <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Being a CCIE and configuring something directly on the device is
> > >> >> only a small part of the game.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Think of SDN a wireless controller and AP type relationship. You
> > >> >> don't get upset that you don't have to configure
> > every
> > >> >> AP
> > >> >> (autonomously) do you? You enjoy the centralized configuration.
> > >> >> Think
> > of
> > >> >> this as being a method of making your job easier/centralized, not
> > taking
> > >> >> aware
> > >> >> of your elite certification. Today's form of SDN is still
> > >> >> premature,
> > but I
> > >> >> tell you this- all big player manufacturers are moving this way.
> > >> >> So,
> > you
> > >> >> can
> > >> >> switch brands, but you'll run into the same issue with each one.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If SDN
> > >> >> moves you away from seeking the CCIE, then maybe your goals are
> > misaligned.
> > >> >> Technology is moving forward, with or without us. Fight it, and
> > >> >> stand alone.
> > >> >> Embrace it, and become the best at it.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Continue your studies and stay up
> > >> >> with technology. That's my advice.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Cheers.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Regards,
> > >> >> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE
> > >> >> #35355 (R&S,Sec)
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ________________________________
> > >> >> From: sameer khan
> > >> >> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
> > >> >> To: Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas <m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com>
> > >> >> Cc: groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > >> >> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM
> > >> >> Subject: RE: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Monsef thanks
> > >> >> for replying, i really understand that Cisco program manager must
> > >> >> have thought of something but let me take a flashback and try to
> > >> >> explain where i am coming from, not too far back Microsoft dumped
> > >> >> dos, with windows 95. With windows 95 the GUI eliminated the
> > >> >> need of commands that were used for operation as simple as copying
> > >> >> a file. The companies are there for one sole purpose that is to
> > >> >> make money, so they will dump anything in return of more profits.
> > >> >> To best
> > >> >> of my understanding humans tend to follow the ease over hardship,
> > >> >> and follow hardship in sight of return. As for networks, CCIEs are
> > >> >> there to handle control plane and with SDN that control plane is
> > >> >> being shifted ( that
> > is
> > >> >> unclear to me where at the moment) to something alike GUI or
> > >> >> scripts or maybe both.
> > >> >> I as a network engineer must understand the fundamental but will
> > >> >> it makes sense to understand them to this scary amount of depth
> > >> >> that CCIE goes into and also any one who i think is preparing for
> > >> >> the lab exam will have solid foundation of the protocol but when
> > >> >> proving it in the lab does that
> > make
> > >> >> sense
> > >> >> and worth going for with SDN in perspective. CCIE is a number
> > >> >> that is
> > a
> > >> >> proof
> > >> >> of your understanding but will that proof be worthy and required
> > >> >> in the first place ?
> > >> >> i hope i made sense of my confusion :)
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Date: Sun, 7 Jul
> > >> >> 2013 08:16:15 +0200
> > >> >>> Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese
> > >> >> ?
> > >> >>> From: m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com
> > >> >>> To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
> > >> >>> CC:
> > >> >> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I wounder The GUI is created by engineers and you
> > >> >> are engineer how can you
> > >> >>> create the click to do the action and how can you
> > >> >> click on this and
> > >> >>> understand the action happens behind the seen are you a
> > >> >> help desk or
> > >> >>> network engineer ?! again don't think that Cisco program
> > >> >> managers are
> > >> >>> stupid to make the CCIE on of the Cisco programs that became a
> > >> >> reference
> > >> >>> for understanding the technology and one of the Business
> > >> >> certificates that
> > >> >>> make a Cisco market big will be dead due to another
> > >> >> product specially the
> > >> >>> product is summarizing the command line again the GUI
> > >> >> wont be as easy like
> > >> >>> the the command line, that's my own opinion and what I
> > >> >> see inside this
> > >> >>> business while working in this field.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Thanks,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Monsef
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 7:45 AM, sameer khan
> > >> >>> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> Hello guys,
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> I am in pursuit of my CCIE R&S but now and
> > >> >> then i am hearing about sdn or
> > >> >>>> openflow that crushes my motivation and
> > >> >> stops me for moving forward, as
> > >> >>>> what i
> > >> >>>> seem to perceive is that some
> > >> >> point in future, i am not saying tomorrow or
> > >> >>>> any
> > >> >>>> time soon, the
> > >> >> commands and protocols that i am trying so hard to learn,
> > >> >>>> understand and
> > >> >> memorize will be transformed into mouse clicks and with
> > >> >>>> fancy
> > >> >>>> GUI that
> > >> >> can make all the task easier but at the same time will make CCIE a
> > >> >>>> thing
> > >> >> of the past.
> > >> >>>> I don't know if my assumption are any right but i am really
> > >> >> really
> > >> >> confused
> > >> >>>> should i continue with CCIE R&S or take up programming and
> > >> >> VMware stuff (
> > >> >>>> though i already consider myself a decent programmer) ?
> > >> >> I would be grateful if any one can be please help me out clear the
> > >> >> this confusion.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Thanks
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
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> > >> > Marc Abel
> > >> > CCIE #35470
> > >> > (Routing and Switching)
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