RE: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?

I know about DORA, want to pay me $200k ;)
 On Jul 7, 2013 1:47 PM, "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
wrote:

> The same 99% of SDN engineers will know little to nothing - like R/S
> engineers do now...
>
> Recall (and I posted it here a few times) we asked 50 (FIFTY) CCIE or
> senior level engineers for a job interview we conducted for a client to
> "describe dhcp" and how it works.
>
> NONE knew DORA... HOLY COW
>
> Never expected that... the offering salary was around $200k.
>
> Sad. Very sad.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Jay McMickle
> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 12:25 PM
> To: marc abel
> Cc: sameer khan; Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas; groupstudy
> Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?
>
> LOL. Same here!
>
> Regards,
> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE #35355 (R/S,Sec)
> Sent from my iPhone 5
>
> On Jul 7, 2013, at 11:20 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ha!
> >
> > We will see. Finishing my VCP at the moment. Looking to start either
> > the
> security, data center, or CCDE next year. Still on the fence as to which
> way to go.
> >
> > -Marc
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >> Agreed.
> >>
> >> PS- that brings us to the point- where is your 2nd IE, Marc? ;)
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE #35355 (R/S,Sec) Sent from my iPhone 5
> >>
> >> On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:30 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > If you are afraid of change of technology go into accounting. That
> hasn't
> >> > changed much in the last 30 years. I started as Novell Netware
> certified.
> >> > Want to guess when the last time I touched IPX/SPX protocol? You
> >> > see
> the
> >> > change, you adapt. Often change in technology brings opportunity
> >> > because not everyone knows the new stuff yet.
> >> >
> >> > The CCIE was never an end point anyway. Once you earn the CCIE
> >> > route and switch then everyone expects you to be an expert on
> >> > wireless, or voice,
> or
> >> > some other technology as well. Keep learning or wither and die in
> >> > this business.
> >> >
> >> > -Marc
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Jay McMickle
> >> > <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Being a CCIE and configuring something directly on the device is
> >> >> only a small part of the game.
> >> >>
> >> >> Think of SDN a wireless controller and AP type relationship. You
> >> >> don't get upset that you don't have to configure
> every
> >> >> AP
> >> >> (autonomously) do you? You enjoy the centralized configuration.
> >> >> Think
> of
> >> >> this as being a method of making your job easier/centralized, not
> taking
> >> >> aware
> >> >> of your elite certification. Today's form of SDN is still
> >> >> premature,
> but I
> >> >> tell you this- all big player manufacturers are moving this way.
> >> >> So,
> you
> >> >> can
> >> >> switch brands, but you'll run into the same issue with each one.
> >> >>
> >> >> If SDN
> >> >> moves you away from seeking the CCIE, then maybe your goals are
> misaligned.
> >> >> Technology is moving forward, with or without us. Fight it, and
> >> >> stand alone.
> >> >> Embrace it, and become the best at it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Continue your studies and stay up
> >> >> with technology. That's my advice.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE
> >> >> #35355 (R&S,Sec)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ________________________________
> >> >> From: sameer khan
> >> >> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
> >> >> To: Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas <m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com>
> >> >> Cc: groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM
> >> >> Subject: RE: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Monsef thanks
> >> >> for replying, i really understand that Cisco program manager must
> >> >> have thought of something but let me take a flashback and try to
> >> >> explain where i am coming from, not too far back Microsoft dumped
> >> >> dos, with windows 95. With windows 95 the GUI eliminated the
> >> >> need of commands that were used for operation as simple as copying
> >> >> a file. The companies are there for one sole purpose that is to
> >> >> make money, so they will dump anything in return of more profits.
> >> >> To best
> >> >> of my understanding humans tend to follow the ease over hardship,
> >> >> and follow hardship in sight of return. As for networks, CCIEs are
> >> >> there to handle control plane and with SDN that control plane is
> >> >> being shifted ( that
> is
> >> >> unclear to me where at the moment) to something alike GUI or
> >> >> scripts or maybe both.
> >> >> I as a network engineer must understand the fundamental but will
> >> >> it makes sense to understand them to this scary amount of depth
> >> >> that CCIE goes into and also any one who i think is preparing for
> >> >> the lab exam will have solid foundation of the protocol but when
> >> >> proving it in the lab does that
> make
> >> >> sense
> >> >> and worth going for with SDN in perspective. CCIE is a number
> >> >> that is
> a
> >> >> proof
> >> >> of your understanding but will that proof be worthy and required
> >> >> in the first place ?
> >> >> i hope i made sense of my confusion :)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Date: Sun, 7 Jul
> >> >> 2013 08:16:15 +0200
> >> >>> Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese
> >> >> ?
> >> >>> From: m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com
> >> >>> To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
> >> >>> CC:
> >> >> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I wounder The GUI is created by engineers and you
> >> >> are engineer how can you
> >> >>> create the click to do the action and how can you
> >> >> click on this and
> >> >>> understand the action happens behind the seen are you a
> >> >> help desk or
> >> >>> network engineer ?! again don't think that Cisco program
> >> >> managers are
> >> >>> stupid to make the CCIE on of the Cisco programs that became a
> >> >> reference
> >> >>> for understanding the technology and one of the Business
> >> >> certificates that
> >> >>> make a Cisco market big will be dead due to another
> >> >> product specially the
> >> >>> product is summarizing the command line again the GUI
> >> >> wont be as easy like
> >> >>> the the command line, that's my own opinion and what I
> >> >> see inside this
> >> >>> business while working in this field.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Monsef
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 7:45 AM, sameer khan
> >> >>> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Hello guys,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I am in pursuit of my CCIE R&S but now and
> >> >> then i am hearing about sdn or
> >> >>>> openflow that crushes my motivation and
> >> >> stops me for moving forward, as
> >> >>>> what i
> >> >>>> seem to perceive is that some
> >> >> point in future, i am not saying tomorrow or
> >> >>>> any
> >> >>>> time soon, the
> >> >> commands and protocols that i am trying so hard to learn,
> >> >>>> understand and
> >> >> memorize will be transformed into mouse clicks and with
> >> >>>> fancy
> >> >>>> GUI that
> >> >> can make all the task easier but at the same time will make CCIE a
> >> >>>> thing
> >> >> of the past.
> >> >>>> I don't know if my assumption are any right but i am really
> >> >> really
> >> >> confused
> >> >>>> should i continue with CCIE R&S or take up programming and
> >> >> VMware stuff (
> >> >>>> though i already consider myself a decent programmer) ?
> >> >> I would be grateful if any one can be please help me out clear the
> >> >> this confusion.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thanks
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
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> >> > Marc Abel
> >> > CCIE #35470
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