Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?

Can I admit I never bothered remembering DHCP much past the exams?

Now that y'all gave an easy mnemonic, I guess I better.

--WM

On 07/08/2013 01:00 PM, John Neiberger wrote:
> I know about Dora the Explorer, so....I'll work for $150k. :-)
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:50 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know about DORA, want to pay me $200k ;)
>> On Jul 7, 2013 1:47 PM, "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The same 99% of SDN engineers will know little to nothing - like R/S
>>> engineers do now...
>>>
>>> Recall (and I posted it here a few times) we asked 50 (FIFTY) CCIE or
>>> senior level engineers for a job interview we conducted for a client to
>>> "describe dhcp" and how it works.
>>>
>>> NONE knew DORA... HOLY COW
>>>
>>> Never expected that... the offering salary was around $200k.
>>>
>>> Sad. Very sad.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Jay McMickle
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 12:25 PM
>>> To: marc abel
>>> Cc: sameer khan; Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas; groupstudy
>>> Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?
>>>
>>> LOL. Same here!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE #35355 (R/S,Sec)
>>> Sent from my iPhone 5
>>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2013, at 11:20 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ha!
>>>>
>>>> We will see. Finishing my VCP at the moment. Looking to start either
>>>> the
>>> security, data center, or CCDE next year. Still on the fence as to which
>>> way to go.
>>>> -Marc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS- that brings us to the point- where is your 2nd IE, Marc? ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE #35355 (R/S,Sec) Sent from my iPhone 5
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:30 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are afraid of change of technology go into accounting. That
>>> hasn't
>>>>>> changed much in the last 30 years. I started as Novell Netware
>>> certified.
>>>>>> Want to guess when the last time I touched IPX/SPX protocol? You
>>>>>> see
>>> the
>>>>>> change, you adapt. Often change in technology brings opportunity
>>>>>> because not everyone knows the new stuff yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The CCIE was never an end point anyway. Once you earn the CCIE
>>>>>> route and switch then everyone expects you to be an expert on
>>>>>> wireless, or voice,
>>> or
>>>>>> some other technology as well. Keep learning or wither and die in
>>>>>> this business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Marc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Jay McMickle
>>>>>> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Being a CCIE and configuring something directly on the device is
>>>>>>> only a small part of the game.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Think of SDN a wireless controller and AP type relationship. You
>>>>>>> don't get upset that you don't have to configure
>>> every
>>>>>>> AP
>>>>>>> (autonomously) do you? You enjoy the centralized configuration.
>>>>>>> Think
>>> of
>>>>>>> this as being a method of making your job easier/centralized, not
>>> taking
>>>>>>> aware
>>>>>>> of your elite certification. Today's form of SDN is still
>>>>>>> premature,
>>> but I
>>>>>>> tell you this- all big player manufacturers are moving this way.
>>>>>>> So,
>>> you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> switch brands, but you'll run into the same issue with each one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If SDN
>>>>>>> moves you away from seeking the CCIE, then maybe your goals are
>>> misaligned.
>>>>>>> Technology is moving forward, with or without us. Fight it, and
>>>>>>> stand alone.
>>>>>>> Embrace it, and become the best at it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Continue your studies and stay up
>>>>>>> with technology. That's my advice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE
>>>>>>> #35355 (R&S,Sec)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: sameer khan
>>>>>>> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas <m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Monsef thanks
>>>>>>> for replying, i really understand that Cisco program manager must
>>>>>>> have thought of something but let me take a flashback and try to
>>>>>>> explain where i am coming from, not too far back Microsoft dumped
>>>>>>> dos, with windows 95. With windows 95 the GUI eliminated the
>>>>>>> need of commands that were used for operation as simple as copying
>>>>>>> a file. The companies are there for one sole purpose that is to
>>>>>>> make money, so they will dump anything in return of more profits.
>>>>>>> To best
>>>>>>> of my understanding humans tend to follow the ease over hardship,
>>>>>>> and follow hardship in sight of return. As for networks, CCIEs are
>>>>>>> there to handle control plane and with SDN that control plane is
>>>>>>> being shifted ( that
>>> is
>>>>>>> unclear to me where at the moment) to something alike GUI or
>>>>>>> scripts or maybe both.
>>>>>>> I as a network engineer must understand the fundamental but will
>>>>>>> it makes sense to understand them to this scary amount of depth
>>>>>>> that CCIE goes into and also any one who i think is preparing for
>>>>>>> the lab exam will have solid foundation of the protocol but when
>>>>>>> proving it in the lab does that
>>> make
>>>>>>> sense
>>>>>>> and worth going for with SDN in perspective. CCIE is a number
>>>>>>> that is
>>> a
>>>>>>> proof
>>>>>>> of your understanding but will that proof be worthy and required
>>>>>>> in the first place ?
>>>>>>> i hope i made sense of my confusion :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 7 Jul
>>>>>>> 2013 08:16:15 +0200
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>> From: m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
>>>>>>>> CC:
>>>>>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>>>> I wounder The GUI is created by engineers and you
>>>>>>> are engineer how can you
>>>>>>>> create the click to do the action and how can you
>>>>>>> click on this and
>>>>>>>> understand the action happens behind the seen are you a
>>>>>>> help desk or
>>>>>>>> network engineer ?! again don't think that Cisco program
>>>>>>> managers are
>>>>>>>> stupid to make the CCIE on of the Cisco programs that became a
>>>>>>> reference
>>>>>>>> for understanding the technology and one of the Business
>>>>>>> certificates that
>>>>>>>> make a Cisco market big will be dead due to another
>>>>>>> product specially the
>>>>>>>> product is summarizing the command line again the GUI
>>>>>>> wont be as easy like
>>>>>>>> the the command line, that's my own opinion and what I
>>>>>>> see inside this
>>>>>>>> business while working in this field.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Monsef
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 7:45 AM, sameer khan
>>>>>>>> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello guys,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am in pursuit of my CCIE R&S but now and
>>>>>>> then i am hearing about sdn or
>>>>>>>>> openflow that crushes my motivation and
>>>>>>> stops me for moving forward, as
>>>>>>>>> what i
>>>>>>>>> seem to perceive is that some
>>>>>>> point in future, i am not saying tomorrow or
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>> time soon, the
>>>>>>> commands and protocols that i am trying so hard to learn,
>>>>>>>>> understand and
>>>>>>> memorize will be transformed into mouse clicks and with
>>>>>>>>> fancy
>>>>>>>>> GUI that
>>>>>>> can make all the task easier but at the same time will make CCIE a
>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>> of the past.
>>>>>>>>> I don't know if my assumption are any right but i am really
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>> confused
>>>>>>>>> should i continue with CCIE R&S or take up programming and
>>>>>>> VMware stuff (
>>>>>>>>> though i already consider myself a decent programmer) ?
>>>>>>> I would be grateful if any one can be please help me out clear the
>>>>>>> this confusion.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Marc Abel
>>>>>> CCIE #35470
>>>>>> (Routing and Switching)
>>>>>>
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