Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?

Agreed.

PS- that brings us to the point- where is your 2nd IE, Marc? ;)

Regards,
Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE #35355 (R/S,Sec)
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On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:30 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> If you are afraid of change of technology go into accounting. That hasn't
> changed much in the last 30 years. I started as Novell Netware certified.
> Want to guess when the last time I touched IPX/SPX protocol? You see the
> change, you adapt. Often change in technology brings opportunity because
> not everyone knows the new stuff yet.
>
> The CCIE was never an end point anyway. Once you earn the CCIE route and
> switch then everyone expects you to be an expert on wireless, or voice, or
> some other technology as well. Keep learning or wither and die in this
> business.
>
> -Marc
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Being a CCIE and configuring something directly on the device is only a
>> small
>> part of the game.
>>
>> Think of SDN a wireless controller and AP type
>> relationship. You don't get upset that you don't have to configure every
>> AP
>> (autonomously) do you? You enjoy the centralized configuration. Think of
>> this as being a method of making your job easier/centralized, not taking
>> aware
>> of your elite certification. Today's form of SDN is still premature, but I
>> tell you this- all big player manufacturers are moving this way. So, you
>> can
>> switch brands, but you'll run into the same issue with each one.
>>
>> If SDN
>> moves you away from seeking the CCIE, then maybe your goals are misaligned.
>> Technology is moving forward, with or without us. Fight it, and stand
>> alone.
>> Embrace it, and become the best at it.
>>
>> Continue your studies and stay up
>> with technology. That's my advice.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE
>> #35355 (R&S,Sec)
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: sameer khan
>> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
>> To: Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas <m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com>
>> Cc: groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM
>> Subject: RE: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?
>>
>>
>> Monsef thanks
>> for replying, i really understand that Cisco program manager
>> must have thought
>> of something but let me take a flashback and try to explain
>> where i am coming
>> from, not too far back Microsoft dumped dos, with windows
>> 95. With windows 95
>> the GUI eliminated the need of commands that were used
>> for operation as
>> simple as copying a file. The companies are there for one
>> sole purpose that is
>> to make money, so they will dump anything in return of
>> more profits.
>> To best
>> of my understanding humans tend to follow the ease over hardship, and
>> follow
>> hardship in sight of return. As for networks, CCIEs are there to handle
>> control plane and with SDN that control plane is being shifted ( that is
>> unclear to me where at the moment) to something alike GUI or scripts or
>> maybe
>> both.
>> I as a network engineer must understand the fundamental but will it
>> makes
>> sense to understand them to this scary amount of depth that CCIE goes
>> into and
>> also any one who i think is preparing for the lab exam will have
>> solid
>> foundation of the protocol but when proving it in the lab does that make
>> sense
>> and worth going for with SDN in perspective. CCIE is a number that is a
>> proof
>> of your understanding but will that proof be worthy and required in the
>> first
>> place ?
>> i hope i made sense of my confusion :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Sun, 7 Jul
>> 2013 08:16:15 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese
>> ?
>>> From: m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com
>>> To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
>>> CC:
>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>
>>> I wounder The GUI is created by engineers and you
>> are engineer how can you
>>> create the click to do the action and how can you
>> click on this and
>>> understand the action happens behind the seen are you a
>> help desk or
>>> network engineer ?! again don't think that Cisco program
>> managers are
>>> stupid to make the CCIE on of the Cisco programs that became a
>> reference
>>> for understanding the technology and one of the Business
>> certificates that
>>> make a Cisco market big will be dead due to another
>> product specially the
>>> product is summarizing the command line again the GUI
>> wont be as easy like
>>> the the command line, that's my own opinion and what I
>> see inside this
>>> business while working in this field.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Monsef
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 7:45 AM, sameer khan <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello guys,
>>>>
>>>> I am in pursuit of my CCIE R&S but now and
>> then i am hearing about sdn or
>>>> openflow that crushes my motivation and
>> stops me for moving forward, as
>>>> what i
>>>> seem to perceive is that some
>> point in future, i am not saying tomorrow
>> or
>>>> any
>>>> time soon, the
>> commands and protocols that i am trying so hard to learn,
>>>> understand and
>> memorize will be transformed into mouse clicks and with
>>>> fancy
>>>> GUI that
>> can make all the task easier but at the same time will make CCIE
>> a
>>>> thing
>> of the past.
>>>> I don't know if my assumption are any right but i am really
>> really
>> confused
>>>> should i continue with CCIE R&S or take up programming and
>> VMware stuff (
>>>> though i already consider myself a decent programmer) ?
>> I would be grateful if any one can be please help me out clear the this
>> confusion.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
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