Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?

Ha!

We will see. Finishing my VCP at the moment. Looking to start either the
security, data center, or CCDE next year. Still on the fence as to which
way to go.

-Marc

On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>wrote:

> Agreed.
>
> PS- that brings us to the point- where is your 2nd IE, Marc? ;)
>
> Regards,
> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE #35355 (R/S,Sec)
> Sent from my iPhone 5
>
> On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:30 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If you are afraid of change of technology go into accounting. That hasn't
> > changed much in the last 30 years. I started as Novell Netware certified.
> > Want to guess when the last time I touched IPX/SPX protocol? You see the
> > change, you adapt. Often change in technology brings opportunity because
> > not everyone knows the new stuff yet.
> >
> > The CCIE was never an end point anyway. Once you earn the CCIE route and
> > switch then everyone expects you to be an expert on wireless, or voice,
> or
> > some other technology as well. Keep learning or wither and die in this
> > business.
> >
> > -Marc
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Being a CCIE and configuring something directly on the device is only a
> >> small
> >> part of the game.
> >>
> >> Think of SDN a wireless controller and AP type
> >> relationship. You don't get upset that you don't have to configure
> every
> >> AP
> >> (autonomously) do you? You enjoy the centralized configuration. Think
> of
> >> this as being a method of making your job easier/centralized, not taking
> >> aware
> >> of your elite certification. Today's form of SDN is still premature,
> but I
> >> tell you this- all big player manufacturers are moving this way. So,
> you
> >> can
> >> switch brands, but you'll run into the same issue with each one.
> >>
> >> If SDN
> >> moves you away from seeking the CCIE, then maybe your goals are
> misaligned.
> >> Technology is moving forward, with or without us. Fight it, and stand
> >> alone.
> >> Embrace it, and become the best at it.
> >>
> >> Continue your studies and stay up
> >> with technology. That's my advice.
> >>
> >> Cheers.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE
> >> #35355 (R&S,Sec)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: sameer khan
> >> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
> >> To: Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas <m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com>
> >> Cc: groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM
> >> Subject: RE: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?
> >>
> >>
> >> Monsef thanks
> >> for replying, i really understand that Cisco program manager
> >> must have thought
> >> of something but let me take a flashback and try to explain
> >> where i am coming
> >> from, not too far back Microsoft dumped dos, with windows
> >> 95. With windows 95
> >> the GUI eliminated the need of commands that were used
> >> for operation as
> >> simple as copying a file. The companies are there for one
> >> sole purpose that is
> >> to make money, so they will dump anything in return of
> >> more profits.
> >> To best
> >> of my understanding humans tend to follow the ease over hardship, and
> >> follow
> >> hardship in sight of return. As for networks, CCIEs are there to handle
> >> control plane and with SDN that control plane is being shifted ( that is
> >> unclear to me where at the moment) to something alike GUI or scripts or
> >> maybe
> >> both.
> >> I as a network engineer must understand the fundamental but will it
> >> makes
> >> sense to understand them to this scary amount of depth that CCIE goes
> >> into and
> >> also any one who i think is preparing for the lab exam will have
> >> solid
> >> foundation of the protocol but when proving it in the lab does that make
> >> sense
> >> and worth going for with SDN in perspective. CCIE is a number that is a
> >> proof
> >> of your understanding but will that proof be worthy and required in the
> >> first
> >> place ?
> >> i hope i made sense of my confusion :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Date: Sun, 7 Jul
> >> 2013 08:16:15 +0200
> >>> Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese
> >> ?
> >>> From: m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com
> >>> To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
> >>> CC:
> >> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>
> >>> I wounder The GUI is created by engineers and you
> >> are engineer how can you
> >>> create the click to do the action and how can you
> >> click on this and
> >>> understand the action happens behind the seen are you a
> >> help desk or
> >>> network engineer ?! again don't think that Cisco program
> >> managers are
> >>> stupid to make the CCIE on of the Cisco programs that became a
> >> reference
> >>> for understanding the technology and one of the Business
> >> certificates that
> >>> make a Cisco market big will be dead due to another
> >> product specially the
> >>> product is summarizing the command line again the GUI
> >> wont be as easy like
> >>> the the command line, that's my own opinion and what I
> >> see inside this
> >>> business while working in this field.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Monsef
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 7:45 AM, sameer khan <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello guys,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am in pursuit of my CCIE R&S but now and
> >> then i am hearing about sdn or
> >>>> openflow that crushes my motivation and
> >> stops me for moving forward, as
> >>>> what i
> >>>> seem to perceive is that some
> >> point in future, i am not saying tomorrow
> >> or
> >>>> any
> >>>> time soon, the
> >> commands and protocols that i am trying so hard to learn,
> >>>> understand and
> >> memorize will be transformed into mouse clicks and with
> >>>> fancy
> >>>> GUI that
> >> can make all the task easier but at the same time will make CCIE
> >> a
> >>>> thing
> >> of the past.
> >>>> I don't know if my assumption are any right but i am really
> >> really
> >> confused
> >>>> should i continue with CCIE R&S or take up programming and
> >> VMware stuff (
> >>>> though i already consider myself a decent programmer) ?
> >> I would be grateful if any one can be please help me out clear the this
> >> confusion.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>>
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