Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?

If you are afraid of change of technology go into accounting. That hasn't
changed much in the last 30 years. I started as Novell Netware certified.
Want to guess when the last time I touched IPX/SPX protocol? You see the
change, you adapt. Often change in technology brings opportunity because
not everyone knows the new stuff yet.

The CCIE was never an end point anyway. Once you earn the CCIE route and
switch then everyone expects you to be an expert on wireless, or voice, or
some other technology as well. Keep learning or wither and die in this
business.

-Marc

On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

> Being a CCIE and configuring something directly on the device is only a
> small
> part of the game.
>
> Think of SDN a wireless controller and AP type
> relationship. You don't get upset that you don't have to configure every
> AP
> (autonomously) do you? You enjoy the centralized configuration. Think of
> this as being a method of making your job easier/centralized, not taking
> aware
> of your elite certification. Today's form of SDN is still premature, but I
> tell you this- all big player manufacturers are moving this way. So, you
> can
> switch brands, but you'll run into the same issue with each one.
>
> If SDN
> moves you away from seeking the CCIE, then maybe your goals are misaligned.
> Technology is moving forward, with or without us. Fight it, and stand
> alone.
> Embrace it, and become the best at it.
>
> Continue your studies and stay up
> with technology. That's my advice.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Regards,
> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE
> #35355 (R&S,Sec)
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: sameer khan
> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
> To: Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas <m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM
> Subject: RE: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?
>
>
> Monsef thanks
> for replying, i really understand that Cisco program manager
> must have thought
> of something but let me take a flashback and try to explain
> where i am coming
> from, not too far back Microsoft dumped dos, with windows
> 95. With windows 95
> the GUI eliminated the need of commands that were used
> for operation as
> simple as copying a file. The companies are there for one
> sole purpose that is
> to make money, so they will dump anything in return of
> more profits.
> To best
> of my understanding humans tend to follow the ease over hardship, and
> follow
> hardship in sight of return. As for networks, CCIEs are there to handle
> control plane and with SDN that control plane is being shifted ( that is
> unclear to me where at the moment) to something alike GUI or scripts or
> maybe
> both.
> I as a network engineer must understand the fundamental but will it
> makes
> sense to understand them to this scary amount of depth that CCIE goes
> into and
> also any one who i think is preparing for the lab exam will have
> solid
> foundation of the protocol but when proving it in the lab does that make
> sense
> and worth going for with SDN in perspective. CCIE is a number that is a
> proof
> of your understanding but will that proof be worthy and required in the
> first
> place ?
> i hope i made sense of my confusion :)
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 7 Jul
> 2013 08:16:15 +0200
> > Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese
> ?
> > From: m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com
> > To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
> > CC:
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >
> > I wounder The GUI is created by engineers and you
> are engineer how can you
> > create the click to do the action and how can you
> click on this and
> > understand the action happens behind the seen are you a
> help desk or
> > network engineer ?! again don't think that Cisco program
> managers are
> > stupid to make the CCIE on of the Cisco programs that became a
> reference
> > for understanding the technology and one of the Business
> certificates that
> > make a Cisco market big will be dead due to another
> product specially the
> > product is summarizing the command line again the GUI
> wont be as easy like
> > the the command line, that's my own opinion and what I
> see inside this
> > business while working in this field.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Monsef
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 7:45 AM, sameer khan <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello guys,
> > >
> > > I am in pursuit of my CCIE R&S but now and
> then i am hearing about sdn or
> > > openflow that crushes my motivation and
> stops me for moving forward, as
> > > what i
> > > seem to perceive is that some
> point in future, i am not saying tomorrow
> or
> > > any
> > > time soon, the
> commands and protocols that i am trying so hard to learn,
> > > understand and
> memorize will be transformed into mouse clicks and with
> > > fancy
> > > GUI that
> can make all the task easier but at the same time will make CCIE
> a
> > > thing
> of the past.
> > > I don't know if my assumption are any right but i am really
> really
> confused
> > > should i continue with CCIE R&S or take up programming and
> VMware stuff (
> > > though i already consider myself a decent programmer) ?
> > >
> I would be grateful if any one can be please help me out clear the this
> > >
> confusion.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
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