Re: Locklizard

Brian, I said the same thing when Brian McGahan first posted his comments. As someone said a while back, I grabbed some popcorn and a drink and sit back and watched the emails come in.

Joe Sanchez
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On Apr 11, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:

> Brian McGahan rolled that hand grenade into the room and then ran ;-) At the
> end of the day I don't think he really cares either way but just enjoys the
> sound of the DRM "hand grenade" exploding ;-)
>
> --
> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>
> INE, Inc.
> http://www.INE.com<http://www.ine.com/>
>
> From: "Tim Cribbs Jr." <tmcribbs_at_gmail.com<mailto:tmcribbs_at_gmail.com>>
> Date: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:35 AM
> To: marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com<mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com>>
> Cc: Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>,
> Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>, CCIE Groupstudy
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
> Subject: Re: Locklizard
>
> Great entertainment, indeed. I heard the grenade roll into the room as soon
> as I read LockLizard. lol ;)
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM, marc edwards
> <renorider_at_gmail.com<mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
> The bootcamp I sat from INE was a free ride. They also offer sholarships on
> annual basis for many who maybe otherwise couldn't afford or couldn't
> attend under normal circumstances. During my seesion w/INE in San Jose, I
> met a few re seats that didn't pay a full fee or anything at all for resit.
> I also beleive that they hosted free CCDE trainings for a while. One was
> taught by CCDE #2013::13 ;)
>
> Soemtimes these tiffs can be distracting. But to what extent... I don't
> know. Sometimes it is OK to be distracted I guess. Makes for entertainment
> and some interesting classroom discussions in which no training company is
> left out of.
>
> Marc Edwards
> CCIE #38259
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Jay McMickle
> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>wrote:
>
>> Very nice, and good to know! My apologies as I have not contacted sales to
>> ask.
>>
>> (I'll be over here in the corner....let me know when I can get out of time
>> out...)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Brian Dennis
> <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jay,
>>> You have to pay $3000+ for a "reseat" in an INE bootcamp? Really? Here
>>> is what our sales team will tell you:
>>>
>>>> Bootcamp reseats (all tracks) are free for the class itself if they have
>>>> their own racks, if they require our rack rentals then there is a rack
>>>> rental fee required:
>>>> B7 $500 for a 1 week class.
>>>> B7 $1000 for a 2 week class.
>>>
>>>> CCIE R&S bootcamp reseats at our Seattle, WA location are completely
>>>> free. Includes INE rack access.
>>>> Note that the $500 a week for the rack is cheaper than renting a rack
>>>> directly with us.
>>>
>>> Also as far the "periodic special-maybe" basis goes we've had on average
>> 3
>>> reseats per bootcamp over the past 12 months.
>>>
>>> Lastly if someone just quotes an old blog post of mine they get the rack
>>> rental fee waived for all locations ;-)
>> http://blog.ine.com/2012/03/23/ines-rs-ccie-bootcamp-update-new-racks-new-s
>>> tructure-reseats-and-scholarships-for-2012/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>
>>> INE, Inc.
>>> http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/11/13 6:42 AM, "Jay McMickle"
> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I love this banter!
>>>>
>>>> You are arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect their
>>>> investment?
>>>>
>>>> If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with their workbooks
>>>> on bit-torrent, that's their preference. I believe I read one of them
>>>> make a joke about this last time this came up in fact!
>>>>
>>>> I mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small business that puts hard
>>>> work into his teaching and materials, just as the Brian's do. Both
>>>> material is excellent. Narbik let's you attend his retake his bootcamps
>>>> for free.
>>>>
>>>> The Brian's simply have a different business model and it works well for
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> You're upset about the security restraints placed on Narbik's $350
>>>> workbook, but not the fact you have to pay $3000+ to retake an INE boot
>>>> camp (I don't believe that they offer free retakes on a regular basis,
>>>> but might have a periodic special-maybe). Hmm. I think I see the point
>>>> here- you want the longer term workbook for free.
>>>>
>>>> Final point- you may be upset because you can't use you 10" tablet to
>>>> read the workbooks while you lab. Consider a second 24" $150 monitor,
>>>> perhaps?
>>>>
>>>> Happy labbing- cheers!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:51 AM, David Rothera
> <david.rothera_at_gmail.com<mailto:david.rothera_at_gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You seem to be misunderstanding my stance on this. At no time do I
>>>>> condone piracy for IE workbooks, I have paid for in full every single
>> of
>>>>> training material that I used.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I am trying to say is that the workbooks are going to be pirated
>>>>> no matter which way you go about it and I feel that the approach that
>>>>> INE have of simply not using DRM in the first place is the correct one,
>>>>> it means I can sign into my members page, download the PDF and use it
>>>>> however I choose (Android, iOS, Mac, PC, Print) and am not limited in
>>>>> how many devices or in the PDF reader I must use.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> David Rothera
>>>>> CCIE #38338
>>>>> david.rothera_at_gmail.com<mailto:david.rothera_at_gmail.com>
>>>>> M: 07584060207
>>>>> W: networkbroadcast.co.uk<http://networkbroadcast.co.uk>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, 11 April 2013 at 10:45, JB Poplawski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I like how the first guy to reply is the Co-founder of the most
>>>>>> pirated IE Workbooks around!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What one person receives without working for, another person must work
>>>>>> for without receiving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David, let me know when you can photograph a wedding, I'd like to
>>>>>> commission you for free. I got a few gigs you can do here in the
>>>>>> States. If you don't mind flying over here and working for free... :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -JB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Shane Killian
>>>>>> <shane_at_shanekillian.net<mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net>
> (mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net<mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net>)> wrote:
>>>>>>> My experience is this -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but for me
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>> easier to use my INE products instead of messing about with
>> Locklizard
>>>>>>> between computers, iPad, Android etc.
>>>>>>> This is something that you remember as a customer (this was my first
>>>>>>> experience with LockLizard) and when you are a vendor, its important
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> remember that reputation and experiences are **everything**.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that "Vendor X" (without DRM) is well aware that material
>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>> found online and shared but I would guess that there approach is to
>>>>>>> make a
>>>>>>> product so good that you can't **not** buy it.
>>>>>>> This is an intelligent move. I think at the end of the day, the
>>>>>>> people that
>>>>>>> were going to buy the material will buy the material and the people
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> weren't going to - won't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would be interested to see the contribution of time and effort
>>>>>>> invested
>>>>>>> in DRM being used to create, improve and deliver products more
>>>>>>> efficiently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
>>>>>>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> (mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>)>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have to disagree David. And I'll give you a level headed
>>>>>>>> explanation...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> China, other countries, blatantly infringe on intellectual property
>>>>>>>> copyrights. Their entire economy and culture is built on breaking
>> the
>>>>>>>> rules...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In Beijing, if you are corrupt politician - you had better be
>>>>>>>> playing for
>>>>>>>> "the right side."
>>>>>>>> In NYC, you have FBI agents at your door at 6am as we saw last week
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> they grabbed a few more democrat NYS senators in Queens :) Aha loved
>>>>>>>> to say
>>>>>>>> that... good riddens...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In Beijing if you counterfeit CD's & DVD's - you have a green light
>>>>>>>> to do
>>>>>>>> so.
>>>>>>>> In NYC if you counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags - you get like a 17
>>>>>>>> year
>>>>>>>> jail sentence in the Federal lock up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> American culture values intellectual property. The time, resources
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> materials the entrepreneur invested into his product, business or
>>>>>>>> service
>>>>>>>> deserves a system where his investment is protected. For the same
>>>>>>>> reason a
>>>>>>>> Military general can't seize your home to build an Olympic stadium
>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>> due process. Or his son cant rape your daughter without the fear of
>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>> hard jail time. In America, if you take something that doesn't
>>>>>>>> belong to
>>>>>>>> you there are harsh consequences...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, we all know without calling a duck the guy quacking at the end
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> bar, many CCIE candidates happen to be from counties where copyright
>>>>>>>> enforcement has a pretty piss poor history.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why should Narbik be forced to give his product away for free
>> because
>>>>>>>> someone is too lazy or stupid to comply with DRM?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You own DVD's or Bluerays right? Those are encrypted. If you broke
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> encryption to clone or copy the DVD that's on you. Keep doing it and
>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>> what happens when the lawyers of Universal and Fox News Subpoena
>>>>>>>> your Fios
>>>>>>>> IP. Got $500,000 in legal fees handy against a $500,000 settlement.
>>>>>>>> Take
>>>>>>>> your pick...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the end the royalties paid to Narbik for his time and hard work
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> improve his family's quality of life, put his grandkids through
>>>>>>>> college
>>>>>>>> (he's like 97, right?), help him pay his taxes, fix his teeth, keep
>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>> fresh Michy's on his car so he doesn't have an accident, buy his
>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>> insurance so he can stay healthy and teaching CCIE lab courses...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you are not in favor of his DRM - then perhaps with your newly
>>>>>>>> minted
>>>>>>>> CCIE you can work for $35 an hour and send me the cash???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe Brunner
>>>>>>>> C/O Borgata High Roller's Tables, with the 5' 4" Dominican hottie on
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>> arm
>>>>>>>> 1 Borgata Way
>>>>>>>> Atlantic City, NJ 08401
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> (mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>)
>>>>>>>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On
> Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> David Rothera
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Locklizard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As per usual with DRM controlled media the only people you are
>>>>>>>> hurting are
>>>>>>>> your customers and I hate to say it Narbik but the fact that you use
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> crap is why I would never consider your products.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> People will always find a way to pirate things and at the end of the
>>>>>>>> day
>>>>>>>> as I have already said the only people that get hurt by this are
>>>>>>>> your real
>>>>>>>> customers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David Rothera
>>>>>>>> CCIE #38338
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> Please excuse any mistakes and brevity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Narbik Kocharians
> <narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> (mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>)> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.locklizard.com/pdf-secure-ios_news.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now you can install our workbooks on your iPad, iPhone, etc etc
>>>>>>>>> ......
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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