Re: Locklizard

Like this?

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Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
bdennis_at_ine.com
INE, Inc.
http://www.INE.com
On 4/12/13 5:09 AM, "marco207p_at_gmail.com" <marco207p_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>Brian,  I said the same thing when Brian McGahan first posted his
>comments.  As someone said a while back, I grabbed some popcorn and a
>drink and sit back and watched the emails come in.
>
>Joe Sanchez
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On Apr 11, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
>> Brian McGahan rolled that hand grenade into the room and then ran ;-)
>>At the
>> end of the day I don't think he really cares either way but just enjoys
>>the
>> sound of the DRM "hand grenade" exploding ;-)
>>
>> --
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>
>> INE, Inc.
>> http://www.INE.com<http://www.ine.com/>
>>
>> From: "Tim Cribbs Jr." <tmcribbs_at_gmail.com<mailto:tmcribbs_at_gmail.com>>
>> Date: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:35 AM
>> To: marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com<mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com>>
>> Cc: Jay McMickle
>><jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>,
>> Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>, CCIE Groupstudy
>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Locklizard
>>
>> Great entertainment, indeed.  I heard the grenade roll into the room as
>>soon
>> as I read LockLizard.  lol  ;)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM, marc edwards
>> <renorider_at_gmail.com<mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>> The bootcamp I sat from INE was a free ride. They also offer
>>sholarships on
>> annual basis for many who maybe otherwise couldn't afford or couldn't
>> attend under normal circumstances. During my seesion w/INE in San Jose,
>>I
>> met a few re seats that didn't pay a full fee or anything at all for
>>resit.
>> I also beleive that they hosted free CCDE trainings for a while. One was
>> taught by CCDE #2013::13 ;)
>>
>> Soemtimes these tiffs can be distracting. But to what extent... I don't
>> know. Sometimes it is OK to be distracted I guess. Makes for
>>entertainment
>> and some interesting classroom discussions in which no training company
>>is
>> left out of.
>>
>> Marc Edwards
>> CCIE #38259
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Jay McMickle
>> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice, and good to know! My apologies as I have not contacted
>>>sales to
>>> ask.
>>>
>>> (I'll be over here in the corner....let me know when I can get out of
>>>time
>>> out...)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Brian Dennis
>> <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jay,
>>>> You have to pay $3000+ for a "reseat" in an INE bootcamp?  Really?
>>>>Here
>>>> is what our sales team will tell you:
>>>>
>>>>> Bootcamp reseats (all tracks) are free for the class itself if they
>>>>>have
>>>>> their own racks, if they require our rack rentals then there is a
>>>>>rack
>>>>> rental fee required:
>>>>> B7        $500 for a 1 week class.
>>>>> B7        $1000 for a 2 week class.
>>>>
>>>>> CCIE R&S bootcamp reseats at our Seattle, WA location are completely
>>>>> free.  Includes INE rack access.
>>>>> Note that the $500 a week for the rack is cheaper than renting a rack
>>>>> directly with us.
>>>>
>>>> Also as far the "periodic special-maybe" basis goes we've had on
>>>>average
>>> 3
>>>> reseats per bootcamp over the past 12 months.
>>>>
>>>> Lastly if someone just quotes an old blog post of mine they get the
>>>>rack
>>>> rental fee waived for all locations ;-)
>>>
>>>http://blog.ine.com/2012/03/23/ines-rs-ccie-bootcamp-update-new-racks-ne
>>>w-s
>>>> tructure-reseats-and-scholarships-for-2012/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>>
>>>> INE, Inc.
>>>> http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/11/13 6:42 AM, "Jay McMickle"
>> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I love this banter!
>>>>>
>>>>> You are arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect their
>>>>> investment?
>>>>>
>>>>> If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with their
>>>>>workbooks
>>>>> on bit-torrent, that's their preference. I believe  I read one of
>>>>>them
>>>>> make a joke about this last time this came up in fact!
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small business that puts
>>>>>hard
>>>>> work into his teaching and materials, just as the Brian's do. Both
>>>>> material is excellent. Narbik let's you attend his retake his
>>>>>bootcamps
>>>>> for free.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Brian's simply have a different business model and it works well
>>>>>for
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're upset about the security restraints placed on Narbik's $350
>>>>> workbook, but not the fact you have to pay $3000+ to retake an INE
>>>>>boot
>>>>> camp (I don't believe that they offer free retakes on a regular
>>>>>basis,
>>>>> but might have a periodic special-maybe). Hmm. I think I see the
>>>>>point
>>>>> here- you want the longer term workbook for free.
>>>>>
>>>>> Final point- you may be upset because you can't use you 10" tablet to
>>>>> read the workbooks while you lab. Consider a second 24" $150 monitor,
>>>>> perhaps?
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy labbing- cheers!
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:51 AM, David Rothera
>> <david.rothera_at_gmail.com<mailto:david.rothera_at_gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You seem to be misunderstanding my stance on this. At no time do I
>>>>>> condone piracy for IE workbooks, I have paid for in full every
>>>>>>single
>>> of
>>>>>> training material that I used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I am trying to say is that the workbooks are going to be
>>>>>>pirated
>>>>>> no matter which way you go about it and I feel that the approach
>>>>>>that
>>>>>> INE have of simply not using DRM in the first place is the correct
>>>>>>one,
>>>>>> it means I can sign into my members page, download the PDF and use
>>>>>>it
>>>>>> however I choose (Android, iOS, Mac, PC, Print) and am not limited
>>>>>>in
>>>>>> how many devices or in the PDF reader I must use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> David Rothera
>>>>>> CCIE #38338
>>>>>> david.rothera_at_gmail.com<mailto:david.rothera_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>> M: 07584060207
>>>>>> W: networkbroadcast.co.uk<http://networkbroadcast.co.uk>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, 11 April 2013 at 10:45, JB Poplawski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like how the first guy to reply is the Co-founder of the most
>>>>>>> pirated IE Workbooks around!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What one person receives without working for, another person must
>>>>>>>work
>>>>>>> for without receiving.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David, let me know when you can photograph a wedding, I'd like to
>>>>>>> commission you for free.  I got a few gigs you can do here in the
>>>>>>> States.  If you don't mind flying over here and working for
>>>>>>>free... :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -JB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Shane Killian
>>>>>>> <shane_at_shanekillian.net<mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net>
>> (mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net<mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net>)> wrote:
>>>>>>>> My experience is this -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but for
>>>>>>>>me
>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>> easier to use my INE products instead of messing about with
>>> Locklizard
>>>>>>>> between computers, iPad, Android etc.
>>>>>>>> This is something that you remember as a customer (this was my
>>>>>>>>first
>>>>>>>> experience with LockLizard) and when you are a vendor, its
>>>>>>>>important
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> remember that reputation and experiences are **everything**.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think that  "Vendor X"  (without DRM) is well aware that
>>>>>>>>material
>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>> found online and shared but I would guess that there approach is
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>> make a
>>>>>>>> product so good that you can't **not** buy it.
>>>>>>>> This is an intelligent move. I think at the end of the day, the
>>>>>>>> people that
>>>>>>>> were going to buy the material will buy the material and the
>>>>>>>>people
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> weren't going to - won't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would be interested to see the contribution of  time and effort
>>>>>>>> invested
>>>>>>>> in DRM being used to create, improve and deliver products more
>>>>>>>> efficiently.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
>>>>>>>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
>> (mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>)>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have to disagree David. And I'll give you a level headed
>>>>>>>>> explanation...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> China, other countries, blatantly infringe on intellectual
>>>>>>>>>property
>>>>>>>>> copyrights. Their entire economy and culture is built on breaking
>>> the
>>>>>>>>> rules...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In Beijing, if you are corrupt politician - you had better be
>>>>>>>>> playing for
>>>>>>>>> "the right side."
>>>>>>>>> In NYC, you have FBI agents at your door at 6am as we saw last
>>>>>>>>>week
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> they grabbed a few more democrat NYS senators in Queens :) Aha
>>>>>>>>>loved
>>>>>>>>> to say
>>>>>>>>> that... good riddens...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In Beijing if you counterfeit CD's & DVD's - you have a green
>>>>>>>>>light
>>>>>>>>> to do
>>>>>>>>> so.
>>>>>>>>> In NYC if you counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags - you get like
>>>>>>>>>a 17
>>>>>>>>> year
>>>>>>>>> jail sentence in the Federal lock up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> American culture values intellectual property. The time,
>>>>>>>>>resources
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> materials the entrepreneur invested into his product, business or
>>>>>>>>> service
>>>>>>>>> deserves a system where his investment is protected. For the same
>>>>>>>>> reason a
>>>>>>>>> Military general can't seize your home to build an Olympic
>>>>>>>>>stadium
>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>> due process. Or his son cant rape your daughter without the fear
>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>> hard jail time. In America, if you take something that doesn't
>>>>>>>>> belong to
>>>>>>>>> you there are harsh consequences...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, we all know without calling a duck the guy quacking at the
>>>>>>>>>end
>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>> bar, many CCIE candidates happen to be from counties where
>>>>>>>>>copyright
>>>>>>>>> enforcement has a pretty piss poor history.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why should Narbik be forced to give his product away for free
>>> because
>>>>>>>>> someone is too lazy or stupid to comply with DRM?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You own DVD's or Bluerays right? Those are encrypted. If you
>>>>>>>>>broke
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> encryption to clone or copy the DVD that's on you. Keep doing it
>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>> what happens when the lawyers of Universal and Fox News Subpoena
>>>>>>>>> your Fios
>>>>>>>>> IP. Got $500,000 in legal fees handy against a $500,000
>>>>>>>>>settlement.
>>>>>>>>> Take
>>>>>>>>> your pick...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the end the royalties paid to Narbik for his time and hard
>>>>>>>>>work
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> improve his family's quality of life, put his grandkids through
>>>>>>>>> college
>>>>>>>>> (he's like 97, right?), help him pay his taxes, fix his teeth,
>>>>>>>>>keep
>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>> fresh Michy's on his car so he doesn't have an accident, buy his
>>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>>> insurance so he can stay healthy and teaching CCIE lab courses...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you are not in favor of his DRM - then perhaps with your newly
>>>>>>>>> minted
>>>>>>>>> CCIE you can work for $35 an hour and send me the cash???
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Joe Brunner
>>>>>>>>> C/O Borgata High Roller's Tables, with the 5' 4" Dominican
>>>>>>>>>hottie on
>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>> arm
>>>>>>>>> 1 Borgata Way
>>>>>>>>> Atlantic City, NJ 08401
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>> (mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>)
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On
>> Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>> David Rothera
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>>>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Locklizard
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As per usual with DRM controlled media the only people you are
>>>>>>>>> hurting are
>>>>>>>>> your customers and I hate to say it Narbik but the fact that you
>>>>>>>>>use
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> crap is why I would never consider your products.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> People will always find a way to pirate things and at the end of
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>> day
>>>>>>>>> as I have already said the only people that get hurt by this are
>>>>>>>>> your real
>>>>>>>>> customers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David Rothera
>>>>>>>>> CCIE #38338
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>> Please excuse any mistakes and brevity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Narbik Kocharians
>> <narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>)> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.locklizard.com/pdf-secure-ios_news.htm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now you can install our workbooks on your iPad, iPhone, etc etc
>>>>>>>>>> ......
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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