Re: Locklizard

LOL! Even Narbik jokes about it. I've heard the term "Lick Lizard" come out
of his mouth! I am a student of both Narbik and INE. I love their
respective products, but for different reasons. They both kick ass. Now get
back to studying!

Michael Kiefer
CCIE# 34420 (R&S)

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Tim Cribbs Jr. <tmcribbs_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Great entertainment, indeed. I heard the grenade roll into the room as
> soon as I read LockLizard. lol ;)
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The bootcamp I sat from INE was a free ride. They also offer sholarships
> on
> > annual basis for many who maybe otherwise couldn't afford or couldn't
> > attend under normal circumstances. During my seesion w/INE in San Jose, I
> > met a few re seats that didn't pay a full fee or anything at all for
> resit.
> > I also beleive that they hosted free CCDE trainings for a while. One was
> > taught by CCDE #2013::13 ;)
> >
> > Soemtimes these tiffs can be distracting. But to what extent... I don't
> > know. Sometimes it is OK to be distracted I guess. Makes for
> entertainment
> > and some interesting classroom discussions in which no training company
> is
> > left out of.
> >
> > Marc Edwards
> > CCIE #38259
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Very nice, and good to know! My apologies as I have not contacted sales
> > to
> > > ask.
> > >
> > > (I'll be over here in the corner....let me know when I can get out of
> > time
> > > out...)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Apr 11, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jay,
> > > > You have to pay $3000+ for a "reseat" in an INE bootcamp? Really?
> > Here
> > > > is what our sales team will tell you:
> > > >
> > > >> Bootcamp reseats (all tracks) are free for the class itself if they
> > have
> > > >> their own racks, if they require our rack rentals then there is a
> rack
> > > >> rental fee required:
> > > >> B7 $500 for a 1 week class.
> > > >> B7 $1000 for a 2 week class.
> > > >
> > > >> CCIE R&S bootcamp reseats at our Seattle, WA location are completely
> > > >> free. Includes INE rack access.
> > > >> Note that the $500 a week for the rack is cheaper than renting a
> rack
> > > >> directly with us.
> > > >
> > > > Also as far the "periodic special-maybe" basis goes we've had on
> > average
> > > 3
> > > > reseats per bootcamp over the past 12 months.
> > > >
> > > > Lastly if someone just quotes an old blog post of mine they get the
> > rack
> > > > rental fee waived for all locations ;-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://blog.ine.com/2012/03/23/ines-rs-ccie-bootcamp-update-new-racks-new-s
> > > > tructure-reseats-and-scholarships-for-2012/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> > > > bdennis_at_ine.com
> > > >
> > > > INE, Inc.
> > > > http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/11/13 6:42 AM, "Jay McMickle" <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I love this banter!
> > > >>
> > > >> You are arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect their
> > > >> investment?
> > > >>
> > > >> If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with their
> > workbooks
> > > >> on bit-torrent, that's their preference. I believe I read one of
> them
> > > >> make a joke about this last time this came up in fact!
> > > >>
> > > >> I mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small business that puts
> > hard
> > > >> work into his teaching and materials, just as the Brian's do. Both
> > > >> material is excellent. Narbik let's you attend his retake his
> > bootcamps
> > > >> for free.
> > > >>
> > > >> The Brian's simply have a different business model and it works well
> > for
> > > >> them.
> > > >>
> > > >> You're upset about the security restraints placed on Narbik's $350
> > > >> workbook, but not the fact you have to pay $3000+ to retake an INE
> > boot
> > > >> camp (I don't believe that they offer free retakes on a regular
> basis,
> > > >> but might have a periodic special-maybe). Hmm. I think I see the
> point
> > > >> here- you want the longer term workbook for free.
> > > >>
> > > >> Final point- you may be upset because you can't use you 10" tablet
> to
> > > >> read the workbooks while you lab. Consider a second 24" $150
> monitor,
> > > >> perhaps?
> > > >>
> > > >> Happy labbing- cheers!
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
> > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>
> > > >> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:51 AM, David Rothera <david.rothera_at_gmail.com
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> You seem to be misunderstanding my stance on this. At no time do I
> > > >>> condone piracy for IE workbooks, I have paid for in full every
> single
> > > of
> > > >>> training material that I used.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> What I am trying to say is that the workbooks are going to be
> pirated
> > > >>> no matter which way you go about it and I feel that the approach
> that
> > > >>> INE have of simply not using DRM in the first place is the correct
> > one,
> > > >>> it means I can sign into my members page, download the PDF and use
> it
> > > >>> however I choose (Android, iOS, Mac, PC, Print) and am not limited
> in
> > > >>> how many devices or in the PDF reader I must use.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> David Rothera
> > > >>> CCIE #38338
> > > >>> david.rothera_at_gmail.com
> > > >>> M: 07584060207
> > > >>> W: networkbroadcast.co.uk
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Thursday, 11 April 2013 at 10:45, JB Poplawski wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> I like how the first guy to reply is the Co-founder of the most
> > > >>>> pirated IE Workbooks around!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> What one person receives without working for, another person must
> > work
> > > >>>> for without receiving.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> David, let me know when you can photograph a wedding, I'd like to
> > > >>>> commission you for free. I got a few gigs you can do here in the
> > > >>>> States. If you don't mind flying over here and working for
> free...
> > :)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -JB
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Shane Killian
> > > >>>> <shane_at_shanekillian.net (mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net)> wrote:
> > > >>>>> My experience is this -
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I have purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but for
> me
> > > >>>>> its
> > > >>>>> easier to use my INE products instead of messing about with
> > > Locklizard
> > > >>>>> between computers, iPad, Android etc.
> > > >>>>> This is something that you remember as a customer (this was my
> > first
> > > >>>>> experience with LockLizard) and when you are a vendor, its
> > important
> > > >>>>> to
> > > >>>>> remember that reputation and experiences are **everything**.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I think that "Vendor X" (without DRM) is well aware that
> material
> > > >>>>> can be
> > > >>>>> found online and shared but I would guess that there approach is
> to
> > > >>>>> make a
> > > >>>>> product so good that you can't **not** buy it.
> > > >>>>> This is an intelligent move. I think at the end of the day, the
> > > >>>>> people that
> > > >>>>> were going to buy the material will buy the material and the
> people
> > > >>>>> that
> > > >>>>> weren't going to - won't.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I would be interested to see the contribution of time and effort
> > > >>>>> invested
> > > >>>>> in DRM being used to create, improve and deliver products more
> > > >>>>> efficiently.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
> > > >>>>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com (mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com)>wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I have to disagree David. And I'll give you a level headed
> > > >>>>>> explanation...
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> China, other countries, blatantly infringe on intellectual
> > property
> > > >>>>>> copyrights. Their entire economy and culture is built on
> breaking
> > > the
> > > >>>>>> rules...
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> In Beijing, if you are corrupt politician - you had better be
> > > >>>>>> playing for
> > > >>>>>> "the right side."
> > > >>>>>> In NYC, you have FBI agents at your door at 6am as we saw last
> > week
> > > >>>>>> when
> > > >>>>>> they grabbed a few more democrat NYS senators in Queens :) Aha
> > loved
> > > >>>>>> to say
> > > >>>>>> that... good riddens...
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> In Beijing if you counterfeit CD's & DVD's - you have a green
> > light
> > > >>>>>> to do
> > > >>>>>> so.
> > > >>>>>> In NYC if you counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags - you get like
> a
> > 17
> > > >>>>>> year
> > > >>>>>> jail sentence in the Federal lock up.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> American culture values intellectual property. The time,
> resources
> > > >>>>>> and
> > > >>>>>> materials the entrepreneur invested into his product, business
> or
> > > >>>>>> service
> > > >>>>>> deserves a system where his investment is protected. For the
> same
> > > >>>>>> reason a
> > > >>>>>> Military general can't seize your home to build an Olympic
> stadium
> > > >>>>>> without
> > > >>>>>> due process. Or his son cant rape your daughter without the fear
> > of
> > > >>>>>> doing
> > > >>>>>> hard jail time. In America, if you take something that doesn't
> > > >>>>>> belong to
> > > >>>>>> you there are harsh consequences...
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Now, we all know without calling a duck the guy quacking at the
> > end
> > > >>>>>> of the
> > > >>>>>> bar, many CCIE candidates happen to be from counties where
> > copyright
> > > >>>>>> enforcement has a pretty piss poor history.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Why should Narbik be forced to give his product away for free
> > > because
> > > >>>>>> someone is too lazy or stupid to comply with DRM?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> You own DVD's or Bluerays right? Those are encrypted. If you
> broke
> > > >>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> encryption to clone or copy the DVD that's on you. Keep doing it
> > and
> > > >>>>>> see
> > > >>>>>> what happens when the lawyers of Universal and Fox News Subpoena
> > > >>>>>> your Fios
> > > >>>>>> IP. Got $500,000 in legal fees handy against a $500,000
> > settlement.
> > > >>>>>> Take
> > > >>>>>> your pick...
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> In the end the royalties paid to Narbik for his time and hard
> work
> > > >>>>>> will
> > > >>>>>> improve his family's quality of life, put his grandkids through
> > > >>>>>> college
> > > >>>>>> (he's like 97, right?), help him pay his taxes, fix his teeth,
> > keep
> > > >>>>>> new
> > > >>>>>> fresh Michy's on his car so he doesn't have an accident, buy his
> > > >>>>>> health
> > > >>>>>> insurance so he can stay healthy and teaching CCIE lab
> courses...
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> If you are not in favor of his DRM - then perhaps with your
> newly
> > > >>>>>> minted
> > > >>>>>> CCIE you can work for $35 an hour and send me the cash???
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Joe Brunner
> > > >>>>>> C/O Borgata High Roller's Tables, with the 5' 4" Dominican
> hottie
> > on
> > > >>>>>> his
> > > >>>>>> arm
> > > >>>>>> 1 Borgata Way
> > > >>>>>> Atlantic City, NJ 08401
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Thanks!
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com (mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com)
> > > >>>>>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > >>>>>> David Rothera
> > > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM
> > > >>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
> > > >>>>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy
> > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Locklizard
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> As per usual with DRM controlled media the only people you are
> > > >>>>>> hurting are
> > > >>>>>> your customers and I hate to say it Narbik but the fact that you
> > use
> > > >>>>>> this
> > > >>>>>> crap is why I would never consider your products.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> People will always find a way to pirate things and at the end of
> > the
> > > >>>>>> day
> > > >>>>>> as I have already said the only people that get hurt by this are
> > > >>>>>> your real
> > > >>>>>> customers.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Regards
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> David Rothera
> > > >>>>>> CCIE #38338
> > > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>>>>> Please excuse any mistakes and brevity.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> > > >>>>>> (mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> http://www.locklizard.com/pdf-secure-ios_news.htm
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Now you can install our workbooks on your iPad, iPhone, etc etc
> > > >>>>>>> ......
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> --
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> > > >>>>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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