Re: Locklizard

Brian McGahan rolled that hand grenade into the room and then ran ;-) At the
end of the day I don't think he really cares either way but just enjoys the
sound of the DRM "hand grenade" exploding ;-)

--
Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
INE, Inc.
http://www.INE.com<http://www.ine.com/>
From: "Tim Cribbs Jr." <tmcribbs_at_gmail.com<mailto:tmcribbs_at_gmail.com>>
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:35 AM
To: marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com<mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com>>
Cc: Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>,
Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>, CCIE Groupstudy
<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
Subject: Re: Locklizard
Great entertainment, indeed.  I heard the grenade roll into the room as soon
as I read LockLizard.  lol  ;)
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM, marc edwards
<renorider_at_gmail.com<mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
The bootcamp I sat from INE was a free ride. They also offer sholarships on
annual basis for many who maybe otherwise couldn't afford or couldn't
attend under normal circumstances. During my seesion w/INE in San Jose, I
met a few re seats that didn't pay a full fee or anything at all for resit.
I also beleive that they hosted free CCDE trainings for a while. One was
taught by CCDE #2013::13 ;)
Soemtimes these tiffs can be distracting. But to what extent... I don't
know. Sometimes it is OK to be distracted I guess. Makes for entertainment
and some interesting classroom discussions in which no training company is
left out of.
Marc Edwards
CCIE #38259
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Jay McMickle
<jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>wrote:
> Very nice, and good to know! My apologies as I have not contacted sales to
> ask.
>
> (I'll be over here in the corner....let me know when I can get out of time
> out...)
>
> Regards,
> Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 11, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Brian Dennis
<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>
> > Jay,
> > You have to pay $3000+ for a "reseat" in an INE bootcamp?  Really?  Here
> > is what our sales team will tell you:
> >
> >> Bootcamp reseats (all tracks) are free for the class itself if they have
> >> their own racks, if they require our rack rentals then there is a rack
> >> rental fee required:
> >> B7        $500 for a 1 week class.
> >> B7        $1000 for a 2 week class.
> >
> >> CCIE R&S bootcamp reseats at our Seattle, WA location are completely
> >> free.  Includes INE rack access.
> >> Note that the $500 a week for the rack is cheaper than renting a rack
> >> directly with us.
> >
> > Also as far the "periodic special-maybe" basis goes we've had on average
> 3
> > reseats per bootcamp over the past 12 months.
> >
> > Lastly if someone just quotes an old blog post of mine they get the rack
> > rental fee waived for all locations ;-)
> >
> >
> http://blog.ine.com/2012/03/23/ines-rs-ccie-bootcamp-update-new-racks-new-s
> > tructure-reseats-and-scholarships-for-2012/
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> > bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
> >
> > INE, Inc.
> > http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/>
>  >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/11/13 6:42 AM, "Jay McMickle"
<jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> I love this banter!
> >>
> >> You are arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect their
> >> investment?
> >>
> >> If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with their workbooks
> >> on bit-torrent, that's their preference. I believe  I read one of them
> >> make a joke about this last time this came up in fact!
> >>
> >> I mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small business that puts hard
> >> work into his teaching and materials, just as the Brian's do. Both
> >> material is excellent. Narbik let's you attend his retake his bootcamps
> >> for free.
> >>
> >> The Brian's simply have a different business model and it works well for
> >> them.
> >>
> >> You're upset about the security restraints placed on Narbik's $350
> >> workbook, but not the fact you have to pay $3000+ to retake an INE boot
> >> camp (I don't believe that they offer free retakes on a regular basis,
> >> but might have a periodic special-maybe). Hmm. I think I see the point
> >> here- you want the longer term workbook for free.
> >>
> >> Final point- you may be upset because you can't use you 10" tablet to
> >> read the workbooks while you lab. Consider a second 24" $150 monitor,
> >> perhaps?
> >>
> >> Happy labbing- cheers!
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:51 AM, David Rothera
<david.rothera_at_gmail.com<mailto:david.rothera_at_gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You seem to be misunderstanding my stance on this. At no time do I
> >>> condone piracy for IE workbooks, I have paid for in full every single
> of
> >>> training material that I used.
> >>>
> >>> What I am trying to say is that the workbooks are going to be pirated
> >>> no matter which way you go about it and I feel that the approach that
> >>> INE have of simply not using DRM in the first place is the correct one,
> >>> it means I can sign into my members page, download the PDF and use it
> >>> however I choose (Android, iOS, Mac, PC, Print) and am not limited in
> >>> how many devices or in the PDF reader I must use.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> David Rothera
> >>> CCIE #38338
> >>> david.rothera_at_gmail.com<mailto:david.rothera_at_gmail.com>
> >>> M: 07584060207
> >>> W: networkbroadcast.co.uk<http://networkbroadcast.co.uk>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday, 11 April 2013 at 10:45, JB Poplawski wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I like how the first guy to reply is the Co-founder of the most
> >>>> pirated IE Workbooks around!
> >>>>
> >>>> What one person receives without working for, another person must work
> >>>> for without receiving.
> >>>>
> >>>> David, let me know when you can photograph a wedding, I'd like to
> >>>> commission you for free.  I got a few gigs you can do here in the
> >>>> States.  If you don't mind flying over here and working for free... :)
> >>>>
> >>>> -JB
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Shane Killian
>  >>>> <shane_at_shanekillian.net<mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net>
(mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net<mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net>)> wrote:
> >>>>> My experience is this -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but for me
> >>>>> its
> >>>>> easier to use my INE products instead of messing about with
> Locklizard
> >>>>> between computers, iPad, Android etc.
> >>>>> This is something that you remember as a customer (this was my first
> >>>>> experience with LockLizard) and when you are a vendor, its important
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> remember that reputation and experiences are **everything**.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think that  "Vendor X"  (without DRM) is well aware that material
> >>>>> can be
> >>>>> found online and shared but I would guess that there approach is to
> >>>>> make a
> >>>>> product so good that you can't **not** buy it.
> >>>>> This is an intelligent move. I think at the end of the day, the
> >>>>> people that
> >>>>> were going to buy the material will buy the material and the people
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> weren't going to - won't.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would be interested to see the contribution of  time and effort
> >>>>> invested
> >>>>> in DRM being used to create, improve and deliver products more
> >>>>> efficiently.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
> >>>>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
(mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>)>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I have to disagree David. And I'll give you a level headed
> >>>>>> explanation...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> China, other countries, blatantly infringe on intellectual property
> >>>>>> copyrights. Their entire economy and culture is built on breaking
> the
> >>>>>> rules...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In Beijing, if you are corrupt politician - you had better be
> >>>>>> playing for
> >>>>>> "the right side."
> >>>>>> In NYC, you have FBI agents at your door at 6am as we saw last week
> >>>>>> when
> >>>>>> they grabbed a few more democrat NYS senators in Queens :) Aha loved
> >>>>>> to say
> >>>>>> that... good riddens...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In Beijing if you counterfeit CD's & DVD's - you have a green light
> >>>>>> to do
> >>>>>> so.
> >>>>>> In NYC if you counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags - you get like a 17
> >>>>>> year
> >>>>>> jail sentence in the Federal lock up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> American culture values intellectual property. The time, resources
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> materials the entrepreneur invested into his product, business or
> >>>>>> service
> >>>>>> deserves a system where his investment is protected. For the same
> >>>>>> reason a
> >>>>>> Military general can't seize your home to build an Olympic stadium
> >>>>>> without
> >>>>>> due process. Or his son cant rape your daughter without the fear of
> >>>>>> doing
> >>>>>> hard jail time. In America, if you take something that doesn't
> >>>>>> belong to
> >>>>>> you there are harsh consequences...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now, we all know without calling a duck the guy quacking at the end
> >>>>>> of the
> >>>>>> bar, many CCIE candidates happen to be from counties where copyright
> >>>>>> enforcement has a pretty piss poor history.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Why should Narbik be forced to give his product away for free
> because
> >>>>>> someone is too lazy or stupid to comply with DRM?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You own DVD's or Bluerays right? Those are encrypted. If you broke
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> encryption to clone or copy the DVD that's on you. Keep doing it and
> >>>>>> see
> >>>>>> what happens when the lawyers of Universal and Fox News Subpoena
> >>>>>> your Fios
> >>>>>> IP. Got $500,000 in legal fees handy against a $500,000 settlement.
> >>>>>> Take
> >>>>>> your pick...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In the end the royalties paid to Narbik for his time and hard work
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>> improve his family's quality of life, put his grandkids through
> >>>>>> college
> >>>>>> (he's like 97, right?), help him pay his taxes, fix his teeth, keep
> >>>>>> new
> >>>>>> fresh Michy's on his car so he doesn't have an accident, buy his
> >>>>>> health
> >>>>>> insurance so he can stay healthy and teaching CCIE lab courses...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you are not in favor of his DRM - then perhaps with your newly
> >>>>>> minted
> >>>>>> CCIE you can work for $35 an hour and send me the cash???
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Joe Brunner
> >>>>>> C/O Borgata High Roller's Tables, with the 5' 4" Dominican hottie on
> >>>>>> his
> >>>>>> arm
> >>>>>> 1 Borgata Way
> >>>>>> Atlantic City, NJ 08401
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
(mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>)
> >>>>>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On
Behalf Of
> >>>>>> David Rothera
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM
> >>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
> >>>>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Locklizard
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As per usual with DRM controlled media the only people you are
> >>>>>> hurting are
> >>>>>> your customers and I hate to say it Narbik but the fact that you use
> >>>>>> this
> >>>>>> crap is why I would never consider your products.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> People will always find a way to pirate things and at the end of the
> >>>>>> day
> >>>>>> as I have already said the only people that get hurt by this are
> >>>>>> your real
> >>>>>> customers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> David Rothera
> >>>>>> CCIE #38338
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>> Please excuse any mistakes and brevity.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Narbik Kocharians
<narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>> (mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com<mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>)> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.locklizard.com/pdf-secure-ios_news.htm
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Now you can install our workbooks on your iPad, iPhone, etc etc
> >>>>>>> ......
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> *Narbik Kocharians
> >>>>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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