Re: Locklizard

I knew someone would come up with a better analogy. Daniel, yours is
better. I just didn't feel like sitting there coming up with a better one.
 Just really didn't care enough to put forth the mental effort. lol

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:07 AM, <daniel.dib_at_reaper.nu> wrote:

> That's not really a good comparison. It's more like the Audi
> requires you to enter a pin code to start the engine and it must be
> verified online so you need radio coverage to be able to start your car.
>
>
> I don't know if Locklizard can do cached logins or anything but I had
> a pretty bad experience with it when I bought some Cisco 360 labs.
>
> I
> think because Narbik is a great guy and a great teacher people still buy
> his stuff but he probably loses a bit of business due to it as well.
>
>
> The way I see it making money on the workbooks is kind of like selling
> CDs. You should make money on it but the real money is in the touring
> (bootcamps).
>
> I'm just glad we have the opportunity to choose between
> different vendors and from what I've seen most of them are very good
> which can't be said for many industries.
>
> /Daniel
>
> 2013-04-11 16:36
> Tim Cribbs Jr. wrote:
>
> > Its amazing how so many people poke jabs at
> how someone chooses to model
> > their business. If you don't like it,
> don't buy it. Frankly it is none of
> > your business. If you are that
> adamant about someone protecting their
> > stuff, go out - start a
> business of your own - and deliver your product how
> > you wish - and
> make your statement about how intellectual property sucks.
> > THEN say
> what you want (which INE has every right to). Are you affected
> > by how
> he chooses to model? No. Unless you really want to buy his
> > material
> but choose not to because of the delivery method. That's like
> > saying
> I'm going to buy an Audi over BMW because there was a closer parking
> >
> spot to the showroom at Audi than BMW - I'd have to walk 50 extra feet
> at
> > BMW. NOT because Audi has engineering preferences over BMW. I don't
> know,
> > but I'd probably have a deeper look into the curriculum and
> teaching
> > methods to make a choice - not which application I need to
> read it.
> >
> > Bottom line, they each have their models and it works for
> both of them. My
> > main question is - what are you trying to achieve by
> poking jabs at
> > someone's business plan? Where is your business plan?
> >
>
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:58 AM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Personally, I dis-like locklizard. Knowing that is the
> delivery mechanism dissuades me from using a product. Piracy is
> un-fortunate but copy right laws are ridiculous because they aren't
> internationally enforced. While it helps protect "Assets" in US, it does
> nothing to disparage what happens in Asia (btw not just China!) and that
> puts the American consumer at a dis advantage to the rest of the world.
> That is why I see it as BS from a consumer standpoint. I commend anyone
> who can come up with a model that attracts and retains customer base
> w/open sales tactic. Keep material fresh and it is always worth getting
> the latest updates despite what is available in the kazbahh. Also, the
> bootlegged stuff is used to create warm leads and increase future sales.
> What I noticed about such retorts. They typically come after the
> shameless plug which I believe is against 'policy' for using the list to
> promote or advertise. We have a few in the middle here and hoping it
> doesn't become another side war. Let's step in to diffuse instead of
> creating a bench clearing! Can't we all just be friends? Regards, Marc
> Edwards CCIE #38259 On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Jay McMickle
> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com
> >>
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I love this banter! You
> are arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect their
> investment? If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with
> their workbooks
> >> on joke about this last time this came up in fact! I
> mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small busine
> >>
> >>> is
> excellent. Narbik let's you attend his retake his bootcamps for free.
> The B
> >> have a different business model and it works well for them.
> You're upset about the security restraints
> >>
> >>> t believe that they
> offer free retakes on a regular basis, but might have a periodic
> special-maybe). Hmm. I think I see the point here- you want the longer
> term workbook for free. Final point- you may be upset because you can't
> use you 1
> >> /blockquote> read the workbooks while you lab. Consider a
> second 24" $150 monitor, perhaps? Happy labbing- chee
> >>
> >>>
> ref="mailto:david.rothera_at_gmail.com">david.rothera_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> e misunderstanding my stance on this. At no time do I condone piracy for
> IE workbooks, I have paid for in full every single of training material
> that I used. the PDF reader I must use. -- David Rothera CCIE #38338
> David, let me know when you can photograph a wedding, I'd like to
> commission you for
> >>
> >>> ... :)
> >> d; margin-left:5px; width:100%">
> -JB On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM
> >>
> >>> e_at_shanekillian.net(mailto:
> shane_at_shanekillian.net)> wrote:
> >> 0%">My experience is this - I have
> purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but for me its
> remember that reputation and experiences are **everything**. I think
> that "Vendor X" (without DRM) is well aware that material can be product
> so good that you can't **not** buy it. This is an intelligent move. I
> think at the end of the day, the people that were going to buy the
> material will buy the material and the people that (he's like 97,
> right?), help him pay his taxes, fix his teeth, keep new David Rothera
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM To: Narbik Kocharians Cc: CCIE
> Groupstudy Subject: Re: Locklizard As per usual with DRM controlled
> media the only people you are hurting are your customers and I hate to
> say it Narbik but the fact that you use this crap is why I would never
> consider your products. People will always find a way to pirate things
> and at the end of the day as I have already said the only people that
> get hurt by this are your real -- *Narbik Kocharians *CCSI#30832, CCIE#
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