Re: Locklizard

I agree that intellectual property is important to uphold and I would like
to see it better enforced, especially considering the money I give to the
feds to enforce it but nothing will change my feelings about lock lizard.
It is more like going to the car showroom and looking at every make and
model but it is only delivered sh*t brown. Next showroom please.

I like flexibility which comes with a more open delivery model (portability
is key). How each business decides to handle the implications, well that is
their own damn business.
Marc Edwards
CCIE #38259

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>wrote:

> What company do you work for, and what's your home address? See, leave
> it vulnerable and they will come after it.... ;)
>
>
> Regards,
> Jay McMickle- 3x CCNP (R&S,Security,Design), CCIE #35355 (R&S)
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>
> *From:* JB Poplawski <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com>
> *To:* Manouchehr Omari <manouchehr1979_at_gmail.com>
> *Cc:* marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com>; Jay McMickle <
> jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>; David Rothera <david.rothera_at_gmail.com>; Shane
> Killian <shane_at_shanekillian.net>; Joseph L. Brunner <
> joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>; Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>; CCIE
> Groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:25 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Locklizard
>
> I don't lock my car, because people can break into it. All my
> firewalls are permit ip any any... :)
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Manouchehr Omari <
> manouchehr1979_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> No one in better mind state won't just let their product be available on
> internet for free. I don't see anything wrong for protecting your treasure.
> for a guy like me who is living in Afghanistan and internet is very very
> limited haven't faced any problem with his workbooks/DRM..all those. I
> attempted his bootcamp and if you could see the effort he was putting in
> the class. he recommended every students to re-take the bootcamp before
> attempting the lab and that for FREE, who would do that?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:58 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Personally, I dis-like locklizard. Knowing that is the delivery
> mechanism dissuades me from using a product. Piracy is un-fortunate but
> copy right laws are ridiculous because they aren't internationally
> enforced. While it helps protect "Assets" in US, it does nothing to
> disparage what happens in Asia (btw not just China!) and that puts the
> American consumer at a dis advantage to the rest of the world. That is why
> I see it as BS from a consumer standpoint.
>
> I commend anyone who can come up with a model that attracts and retains
> customer base w/open sales tactic. Keep material fresh and it is always
> worth getting the latest updates despite what is available in the kazbahh.
> Also, the bootlegged stuff is used to create warm leads and increase future
> sales.
>
> What I noticed about such retorts. They typically come after the shameless
> plug which I believe is against 'policy' for using the list to promote or
> advertise.
>
> We have a few in the middle here and hoping it doesn't become another side
> war. Let's step in to diffuse instead of creating a bench clearing! Can't
> we all just be friends?
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> Marc Edwards
> CCIE #38259
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I love this banter!
> >
> > You are arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect their
> > investment?
> >
> > If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with their workbooks
> on
> > bit-torrent, that's their preference. I believe I read one of them make
> a
> > joke about this last time this came up in fact!
> >
> > I mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small business that puts hard
> > work into his teaching and materials, just as the Brian's do. Both
> material
> > is excellent. Narbik let's you attend his retake his bootcamps for free.
> >
> > The Brian's simply have a different business model and it works well for
> > them.
> >
> > You're upset about the security restraints placed on Narbik's $350
> > workbook, but not the fact you have to pay $3000+ to retake an INE boot
> > camp (I don't believe that they offer free retakes on a regular basis,
> but
> > might have a periodic special-maybe). Hmm. I think I see the point here-
> > you want the longer term workbook for free.
> >
> > Final point- you may be upset because you can't use you 10" tablet to
> read
> > the workbooks while you lab. Consider a second 24" $150 monitor, perhaps?
> >
> > Happy labbing- cheers!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:51 AM, David Rothera <david.rothera_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > You seem to be misunderstanding my stance on this. At no time do I
> > condone piracy for IE workbooks, I have paid for in full every single of
> > training material that I used.
> > >
> > > What I am trying to say is that the workbooks are going to be pirated
> no
> > matter which way you go about it and I feel that the approach that INE
> have
> > of simply not using DRM in the first place is the correct one, it means I
> > can sign into my members page, download the PDF and use it however I
> choose
> > (Android, iOS, Mac, PC, Print) and am not limited in how many devices or
> in
> > the PDF reader I must use.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > David Rothera
> > > CCIE #38338
> > > david.rothera_at_gmail.com
> > > M: 07584060207
> > > W: networkbroadcast.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thursday, 11 April 2013 at 10:45, JB Poplawski wrote:
> > >
> > >> I like how the first guy to reply is the Co-founder of the most
> pirated
> > IE Workbooks around!
> > >>
> > >> What one person receives without working for, another person must work
> > for without receiving.
> > >>
> > >> David, let me know when you can photograph a wedding, I'd like to
> > commission you for free. I got a few gigs you can do here in the States.
> > If you don't mind flying over here and working for free... :)
> > >>
> > >> -JB
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Shane Killian <
> shane_at_shanekillian.net(mailto:
> > shane_at_shanekillian.net)> wrote:
> > >>> My experience is this -
> > >>>
> > >>> I have purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but for me
> its
> > >>> easier to use my INE products instead of messing about with
> Locklizard
> > >>> between computers, iPad, Android etc.
> > >>> This is something that you remember as a customer (this was my first
> > >>> experience with LockLizard) and when you are a vendor, its important
> to
> > >>> remember that reputation and experiences are **everything**.
> > >>>
> > >>> I think that "Vendor X" (without DRM) is well aware that material
> > can be
> > >>> found online and shared but I would guess that there approach is to
> > make a
> > >>> product so good that you can't **not** buy it.
> > >>> This is an intelligent move. I think at the end of the day, the
> people
> > that
> > >>> were going to buy the material will buy the material and the people
> > that
> > >>> weren't going to - won't.
> > >>>
> > >>> I would be interested to see the contribution of time and effort
> > invested
> > >>> in DRM being used to create, improve and deliver products more
> > efficiently.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
> > >>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com (mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com)>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I have to disagree David. And I'll give you a level headed
> > explanation...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> China, other countries, blatantly infringe on intellectual property
> > >>>> copyrights. Their entire economy and culture is built on breaking
> the
> > >>>> rules...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In Beijing, if you are corrupt politician - you had better be
> playing
> > for
> > >>>> "the right side."
> > >>>> In NYC, you have FBI agents at your door at 6am as we saw last week
> > when
> > >>>> they grabbed a few more democrat NYS senators in Queens :) Aha loved
> > to say
> > >>>> that... good riddens...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In Beijing if you counterfeit CD's & DVD's - you have a green light
> > to do
> > >>>> so.
> > >>>> In NYC if you counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags - you get like a 17
> > year
> > >>>> jail sentence in the Federal lock up.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> American culture values intellectual property. The time, resources
> and
> > >>>> materials the entrepreneur invested into his product, business or
> > service
> > >>>> deserves a system where his investment is protected. For the same
> > reason a
> > >>>> Military general can't seize your home to build an Olympic stadium
> > without
> > >>>> due process. Or his son cant rape your daughter without the fear of
> > doing
> > >>>> hard jail time. In America, if you take something that doesn't
> belong
> > to
> > >>>> you there are harsh consequences...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Now, we all know without calling a duck the guy quacking at the end
> > of the
> > >>>> bar, many CCIE candidates happen to be from counties where copyright
> > >>>> enforcement has a pretty piss poor history.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Why should Narbik be forced to give his product away for free
> because
> > >>>> someone is too lazy or stupid to comply with DRM?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You own DVD's or Bluerays right? Those are encrypted. If you broke
> the
> > >>>> encryption to clone or copy the DVD that's on you. Keep doing it and
> > see
> > >>>> what happens when the lawyers of Universal and Fox News Subpoena
> your
> > Fios
> > >>>> IP. Got $500,000 in legal fees handy against a $500,000 settlement.
> > Take
> > >>>> your pick...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In the end the royalties paid to Narbik for his time and hard work
> > will
> > >>>> improve his family's quality of life, put his grandkids through
> > college
> > >>>> (he's like 97, right?), help him pay his taxes, fix his teeth, keep
> > new
> > >>>> fresh Michy's on his car so he doesn't have an accident, buy his
> > health
> > >>>> insurance so he can stay healthy and teaching CCIE lab courses...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If you are not in favor of his DRM - then perhaps with your newly
> > minted
> > >>>> CCIE you can work for $35 an hour and send me the cash???
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Joe Brunner
> > >>>> C/O Borgata High Roller's Tables, with the 5' 4" Dominican hottie on
> > his
> > >>>> arm
> > >>>> 1 Borgata Way
> > >>>> Atlantic City, NJ 08401
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com (mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com) [mailto:
> > nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > >>>> David Rothera
> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM
> > >>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
> > >>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy
> > >>>> Subject: Re: Locklizard
> > >>>>
> > >>>> As per usual with DRM controlled media the only people you are
> > hurting are
> > >>>> your customers and I hate to say it Narbik but the fact that you use
> > this
> > >>>> crap is why I would never consider your products.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> People will always find a way to pirate things and at the end of the
> > day
> > >>>> as I have already said the only people that get hurt by this are
> your
> > real
> > >>>> customers.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards
> > >>>>
> > >>>> David Rothera
> > >>>> CCIE #38338
> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>> Please excuse any mistakes and brevity.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> (mailto:
> > narbikk_at_gmail.com)> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.locklizard.com/pdf-secure-ios_news.htm
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Now you can install our workbooks on your iPad, iPhone, etc etc
> > ......
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> *Narbik Kocharians
> > >>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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