Re: Locklizard

Jay,
You have to pay $3000+ for a "reseat" in an INE bootcamp? Really? Here
is what our sales team will tell you:

> Bootcamp reseats (all tracks) are free for the class itself if they have
>their own racks, if they require our rack rentals then there is a rack
>rental fee required:
> 7 $500 for a 1 week class.
> 7 $1000 for a 2 week class.
 
> CCIE R&S bootcamp reseats at our Seattle, WA location are completely
>free. Includes INE rack access.
> Note that the $500 a week for the rack is cheaper than renting a rack
>directly with us.

Also as far the "periodic special-maybe" basis goes we've had on average 3
reseats per bootcamp over the past 12 months.

Lastly if someone just quotes an old blog post of mine they get the rack
rental fee waived for all locations ;-)

http://blog.ine.com/2012/03/23/ines-rs-ccie-bootcamp-update-new-racks-new-s
tructure-reseats-and-scholarships-for-2012/

-- 
Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
bdennis_at_ine.com
INE, Inc.
http://www.INE.com
On 4/11/13 6:42 AM, "Jay McMickle" <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>I love this banter!
>
>You are arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect their
>investment?
>
>If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with their workbooks
>on bit-torrent, that's their preference. I believe  I read one of them
>make a joke about this last time this came up in fact!
>
>I mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small business that puts hard
>work into his teaching and materials, just as the Brian's do. Both
>material is excellent. Narbik let's you attend his retake his bootcamps
>for free.
>
>The Brian's simply have a different business model and it works well for
>them.
>
>You're upset about the security restraints placed on Narbik's $350
>workbook, but not the fact you have to pay $3000+ to retake an INE boot
>camp (I don't believe that they offer free retakes on a regular basis,
>but might have a periodic special-maybe). Hmm. I think I see the point
>here- you want the longer term workbook for free.
>
>Final point- you may be upset because you can't use you 10" tablet to
>read the workbooks while you lab. Consider a second 24" $150 monitor,
>perhaps?
>
>Happy labbing- cheers!
>
>Regards,
>Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:51 AM, David Rothera <david.rothera_at_gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> You seem to be misunderstanding my stance on this. At no time do I
>>condone piracy for IE workbooks, I have paid for in full every single of
>>training material that I used.
>> 
>> What I am trying to say is that the workbooks are going to be pirated
>>no matter which way you go about it and I feel that the approach that
>>INE have of simply not using DRM in the first place is the correct one,
>>it means I can sign into my members page, download the PDF and use it
>>however I choose (Android, iOS, Mac, PC, Print) and am not limited in
>>how many devices or in the PDF reader I must use.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> David Rothera
>> CCIE #38338
>> david.rothera_at_gmail.com
>> M: 07584060207
>> W: networkbroadcast.co.uk
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, 11 April 2013 at 10:45, JB Poplawski wrote:
>> 
>>> I like how the first guy to reply is the Co-founder of the most
>>>pirated IE Workbooks around!
>>> 
>>> What one person receives without working for, another person must work
>>>for without receiving.
>>> 
>>> David, let me know when you can photograph a wedding, I'd like to
>>>commission you for free.  I got a few gigs you can do here in the
>>>States.  If you don't mind flying over here and working for free... :)
>>> 
>>> -JB
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Shane Killian
>>><shane_at_shanekillian.net (mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net)> wrote:
>>>> My experience is this -
>>>> 
>>>> I have purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but for me
>>>>its
>>>> easier to use my INE products instead of messing about with Locklizard
>>>> between computers, iPad, Android etc.
>>>> This is something that you remember as a customer (this was my first
>>>> experience with LockLizard) and when you are a vendor, its important
>>>>to
>>>> remember that reputation and experiences are **everything**.
>>>> 
>>>> I think that  "Vendor X"  (without DRM) is well aware that material
>>>>can be
>>>> found online and shared but I would guess that there approach is to
>>>>make a
>>>> product so good that you can't **not** buy it.
>>>> This is an intelligent move. I think at the end of the day, the
>>>>people that
>>>> were going to buy the material will buy the material and the people
>>>>that
>>>> weren't going to - won't.
>>>> 
>>>> I would be interested to see the contribution of  time and effort
>>>>invested
>>>> in DRM being used to create, improve and deliver products more
>>>>efficiently.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
>>>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com (mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com)>wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have to disagree David. And I'll give you a level headed
>>>>>explanation...
>>>>> 
>>>>> China, other countries, blatantly infringe on intellectual property
>>>>> copyrights. Their entire economy and culture is built on breaking the
>>>>> rules...
>>>>> 
>>>>> In Beijing, if you are corrupt politician - you had better be
>>>>>playing for
>>>>> "the right side."
>>>>> In NYC, you have FBI agents at your door at 6am as we saw last week
>>>>>when
>>>>> they grabbed a few more democrat NYS senators in Queens :) Aha loved
>>>>>to say
>>>>> that... good riddens...
>>>>> 
>>>>> In Beijing if you counterfeit CD's & DVD's - you have a green light
>>>>>to do
>>>>> so.
>>>>> In NYC if you counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags - you get like a 17
>>>>>year
>>>>> jail sentence in the Federal lock up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> American culture values intellectual property. The time, resources
>>>>>and
>>>>> materials the entrepreneur invested into his product, business or
>>>>>service
>>>>> deserves a system where his investment is protected. For the same
>>>>>reason a
>>>>> Military general can't seize your home to build an Olympic stadium
>>>>>without
>>>>> due process. Or his son cant rape your daughter without the fear of
>>>>>doing
>>>>> hard jail time. In America, if you take something that doesn't
>>>>>belong to
>>>>> you there are harsh consequences...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now, we all know without calling a duck the guy quacking at the end
>>>>>of the
>>>>> bar, many CCIE candidates happen to be from counties where copyright
>>>>> enforcement has a pretty piss poor history.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why should Narbik be forced to give his product away for free because
>>>>> someone is too lazy or stupid to comply with DRM?
>>>>> 
>>>>> You own DVD's or Bluerays right? Those are encrypted. If you broke
>>>>>the
>>>>> encryption to clone or copy the DVD that's on you. Keep doing it and
>>>>>see
>>>>> what happens when the lawyers of Universal and Fox News Subpoena
>>>>>your Fios
>>>>> IP. Got $500,000 in legal fees handy against a $500,000 settlement.
>>>>>Take
>>>>> your pick...
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the end the royalties paid to Narbik for his time and hard work
>>>>>will
>>>>> improve his family's quality of life, put his grandkids through
>>>>>college
>>>>> (he's like 97, right?), help him pay his taxes, fix his teeth, keep
>>>>>new
>>>>> fresh Michy's on his car so he doesn't have an accident, buy his
>>>>>health
>>>>> insurance so he can stay healthy and teaching CCIE lab courses...
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you are not in favor of his DRM - then perhaps with your newly
>>>>>minted
>>>>> CCIE you can work for $35 an hour and send me the cash???
>>>>> 
>>>>> Joe Brunner
>>>>> C/O Borgata High Roller's Tables, with the 5' 4" Dominican hottie on
>>>>>his
>>>>> arm
>>>>> 1 Borgata Way
>>>>> Atlantic City, NJ 08401
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com (mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com)
>>>>>[mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>> David Rothera
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM
>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>>>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy
>>>>> Subject: Re: Locklizard
>>>>> 
>>>>> As per usual with DRM controlled media the only people you are
>>>>>hurting are
>>>>> your customers and I hate to say it Narbik but the fact that you use
>>>>>this
>>>>> crap is why I would never consider your products.
>>>>> 
>>>>> People will always find a way to pirate things and at the end of the
>>>>>day
>>>>> as I have already said the only people that get hurt by this are
>>>>>your real
>>>>> customers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> David Rothera
>>>>> CCIE #38338
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> Please excuse any mistakes and brevity.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
>>>>>(mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com)> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.locklizard.com/pdf-secure-ios_news.htm
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now you can install our workbooks on your iPad, iPhone, etc etc
>>>>>>......
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>>>> *www.MicronicsTraining.com (http://www.MicronicsTraining.com)*
>>>>>><http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>>>>>> Sr. Technical Instructor
>>>>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>>>>> A Cisco Learning Partner
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