Re: Locklizard

Any genuinly intrested candidate would need " updated " workbooks and
will buy it .

that is what keeps INE going ... it is ok for any one who is " just "
trying to be a ccie.. There is a differece between a Serious guy and
others.. ...others can afford to wait for 3 months to get a free copy ...

Will i think of 300$ ...when i am spending more than 2000$ ??

for SMB vendors ..no complants go with DRM . but still your products can
be found on internet .... their is no guarentee that your procucts will
not printed and posted ..

so what will you do impose a limit on print ? make it print just one
time...?

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>wrote:

> What company do you work for, and what's your home address? See, leave it
> vulnerable and they will come after it.... ;)
>
>
> Regards,
> Jay McMickle- 3x
> CCNP (R&S,Security,Design), CCIE #35355 (R&S)
> Support me in the MS150 Ride to
> Austin!
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: JB Poplawski
> <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com>
> To: Manouchehr Omari <manouchehr1979_at_gmail.com>
> Cc:
> marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com>; Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>;
> David Rothera <david.rothera_at_gmail.com>; Shane Killian
> <shane_at_shanekillian.net>; Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>;
> Narbik
> Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>; CCIE Groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Locklizard
>
>
>
> I don't
> lock my car, because people can break into it. All my firewalls are
> permit ip
> any any... :)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Manouchehr Omari
> <manouchehr1979_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> >No one in better mind state won't
> just let their product be available on internet for free. I don't see
> anything
> wrong for protecting your treasure. for a guy like me who is living in
> Afghanistan and internet is very very limited haven't faced any problem
> with
> his workbooks/DRM..all those. I attempted his bootcamp and if you could see
> the effort he was putting in the class. he recommended every students to
> re-take the bootcamp before attempting the lab and that for FREE, who
> would
> do that?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:58 PM, marc edwards
> <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >Personally, I dis-like locklizard. Knowing
> that is the delivery
> >>mechanism dissuades me from using a product. Piracy is
> un-fortunate but
> >>copy right laws are ridiculous because they aren't
> internationally
> >>enforced. While it helps protect "Assets" in US, it does
> nothing to
> >>disparage what happens in Asia (btw not just China!) and that
> puts the
> >>American consumer at a dis advantage to the rest of the world. That
> is why
> >>I see it as BS from a consumer standpoint.
> >>
> >>I commend anyone who
> can come up with a model that attracts and retains
> >>customer base w/open
> sales tactic. Keep material fresh and it is always
> >>worth getting the latest
> updates despite what is available in the kazbahh.
> >>Also, the bootlegged stuff
> is used to create warm leads and increase future
> >>sales.
> >>
> >>What I noticed
> about such retorts. They typically come after the shameless
> >>plug which I
> believe is against 'policy' for using the list to promote or
> >>advertise.
> >>
> >>We have a few in the middle here and hoping it doesn't become another
> side
> >>war. Let's step in to diffuse instead of creating a bench clearing! Can't
> >>we all just be friends?
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Marc Edwards
> >>CCIE
> #38259
> >>
> >>
> >>On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Jay McMickle
> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> I love this banter!
> >>>
> >>> You are
> arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect their
> >>> investment?
> >>>
> >>> If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with their
> workbooks on
> >>> bit-torrent, that's their preference. I believe I read one
> of them make a
> >>> joke about this last time this came up in fact!
> >>>
> >>> I
> mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small business that puts hard
> >>>
> work into his teaching and materials, just as the Brian's do. Both material
> >>> is excellent. Narbik let's you attend his retake his bootcamps for
> free.
> >>>
> >>> The Brian's simply have a different business model and it works well
> for
> >>> them.
> >>>
> >>> You're upset about the security restraints placed on
> Narbik's $350
> >>> workbook, but not the fact you have to pay $3000+ to retake
> an INE boot
> >>> camp (I don't believe that they offer free retakes on a
> regular basis, but
> >>> might have a periodic special-maybe). Hmm. I think I
> see the point here-
> >>> you want the longer term workbook for free.
> >>>
> >>>
> Final point- you may be upset because you can't use you 10" tablet to read
> >>>
> the workbooks while you lab. Consider a second 24" $150 monitor, perhaps?
> >>>
> >>> Happy labbing- cheers!
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
> >>>
> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:51 AM, David Rothera
> <david.rothera_at_gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > You seem to be misunderstanding
> my stance on this. At no time do I
> >>> condone piracy for IE workbooks, I have
> paid for in full every single of
> >>> training material that I used.
> >>> >
> >>>
> > What I am trying to say is that the workbooks are going to be pirated no
> >>>
> matter which way you go about it and I feel that the approach that INE have
> >>> of simply not using DRM in the first place is the correct one, it
> means I
> >>> can sign into my members page, download the PDF and use it however I
> choose
> >>> (Android, iOS, Mac, PC, Print) and am not limited in how many
> devices or in
> >>> the PDF reader I must use.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> >
> David Rothera
> >>> > CCIE #38338
> >>> > david.rothera_at_gmail.com
> >>> > M:
> 07584060207
> >>> > W: networkbroadcast.co.uk
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Thursday, 11
> April 2013 at 10:45, JB Poplawski wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> I like how the first guy
> to reply is the Co-founder of the most pirated
> >>> IE Workbooks around!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> What one person receives without working for, another person must
> work
> >>> for without receiving.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> David, let me know when you can
> photograph a wedding, I'd like to
> >>> commission you for free. I got a few
> gigs you can do here in the States.
> >>> If you don't mind flying over here
> and working for free... :)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -JB
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Thu, Apr
> 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Shane Killian <shane_at_shanekillian.net(mailto:
> >>>
> shane_at_shanekillian.net)> wrote:
> >>> >>> My experience is this -
> >>> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but for me its
> >>> >>> easier to use my INE products instead of messing about with
> Locklizard
> >>> >>> between computers, iPad, Android etc.
> >>> >>> This is something that
> you remember as a customer (this was my first
> >>> >>> experience with
> LockLizard) and when you are a vendor, its important to
> >>> >>> remember that
> reputation and experiences are **everything**.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I think that
> "Vendor X" (without DRM) is well aware that material
> >>> can be
> >>> >>>
> found online and shared but I would guess that there approach is to
> >>> make a
> >>> >>> product so good that you can't **not** buy it.
> >>> >>> This is an
> intelligent move. I think at the end of the day, the people
> >>> that
> >>> >>>
> were going to buy the material will buy the material and the people
> >>> that
> >>> >>> weren't going to - won't.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I would be interested to see
> the contribution of time and effort
> >>> invested
> >>> >>> in DRM being used to
> create, improve and deliver products more
> >>> efficiently.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Joseph L.
> Brunner
> >>> >>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com
> (mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com)>wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> I have to disagree
> David. And I'll give you a level headed
> >>> explanation...
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> China, other countries, blatantly infringe on intellectual property
> >>> >>>>
> copyrights. Their entire economy and culture is built on breaking the
> >>> >>>>
> rules...
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> In Beijing, if you are corrupt politician - you had
> better be playing
> >>> for
> >>> >>>> "the right side."
> >>> >>>> In NYC, you have
> FBI agents at your door at 6am as we saw last week
> >>> when
> >>> >>>> they
> grabbed a few more democrat NYS senators in Queens :) Aha loved
> >>> to say
> >>>
> >>>> that... good riddens...
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> In Beijing if you counterfeit
> CD's & DVD's - you have a green light
> >>> to do
> >>> >>>> so.
> >>> >>>> In NYC
> if you counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags - you get like a 17
> >>> year
> >>>
> >>>> jail sentence in the Federal lock up.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> American culture
> values intellectual property. The time, resources and
> >>> >>>> materials the
> entrepreneur invested into his product, business or
> >>> service
> >>> >>>>
> deserves a system where his investment is protected. For the same
> >>> reason a
> >>> >>>> Military general can't seize your home to build an Olympic stadium
> >>> without
> >>> >>>> due process. Or his son cant rape your daughter without
> the fear of
> >>> doing
> >>> >>>> hard jail time. In America, if you take
> something that doesn't belong
> >>> to
> >>> >>>> you there are harsh
> consequences...
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Now, we all know without calling a duck the
> guy quacking at the end
> >>> of the
> >>> >>>> bar, many CCIE candidates happen
> to be from counties where copyright
> >>> >>>> enforcement has a pretty piss
> poor history.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Why should Narbik be forced to give his
> product away for free because
> >>> >>>> someone is too lazy or stupid to comply
> with DRM?
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> You own DVD's or Bluerays right? Those are
> encrypted. If you broke the
> >>> >>>> encryption to clone or copy the DVD
> that's on you. Keep doing it and
> >>> see
> >>> >>>> what happens when the
> lawyers of Universal and Fox News Subpoena your
> >>> Fios
> >>> >>>> IP. Got
> $500,000 in legal fees handy against a $500,000 settlement.
> >>> Take
> >>> >>>>
> your pick...
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> In the end the royalties paid to Narbik for his
> time and hard work
> >>> will
> >>> >>>> improve his family's quality of life, put
> his grandkids through
> >>> college
> >>> >>>> (he's like 97, right?), help him
> pay his taxes, fix his teeth, keep
> >>> new
> >>> >>>> fresh Michy's on his car
> so he doesn't have an accident, buy his
> >>> health
> >>> >>>> insurance so he
> can stay healthy and teaching CCIE lab courses...
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> If you are
> not in favor of his DRM - then perhaps with your newly
> >>> minted
> >>> >>>>
> CCIE you can work for $35 an hour and send me the cash???
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> Joe Brunner
> >>> >>>> C/O Borgata High Roller's Tables, with the 5' 4"
> Dominican hottie on
> >>> his
> >>> >>>> arm
> >>> >>>> 1 Borgata Way
> >>> >>>>
> Atlantic City, NJ 08401
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Thanks!
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> (mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com) [mailto:
> >>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >>> >>>> David Rothera
> >>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM
> >>>
> >>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
> >>> >>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy
> >>> >>>> Subject: Re:
> Locklizard
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> As per usual with DRM controlled media the only
> people you are
> >>> hurting are
> >>> >>>> your customers and I hate to say it
> Narbik but the fact that you use
> >>> this
> >>> >>>> crap is why I would never
> consider your products.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> People will always find a way to
> pirate things and at the end of the
> >>> day
> >>> >>>> as I have already said
> the only people that get hurt by this are your
> >>> real
> >>> >>>> customers.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Regards
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> David Rothera
> >>> >>>> CCIE #38338
> >>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> >>>> Please excuse any mistakes and brevity.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Narbik Kocharians
> <narbikk_at_gmail.com(mailto:
> >>> narbikk_at_gmail.com)> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> http://www.locklizard.com/pdf-secure-ios_news.htm
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Now you
> can install our workbooks on your iPad, iPhone, etc etc
> >>> ......
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> --
> >>> >>>>> *Narbik Kocharians
> >>> >>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410
> (R&S, SP, Security)
> >>> >>>>> *http://www.micronicstraining.com/
> (http://www.micronicstraining.com/)* <
> >>> http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
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