Re: OT: Ericsson SSR Router Vs Juniper MX series

We all know that Cisco's source code was copied in the beginning. The mere
fact that after all these years of denying it, the truth about the court case
is coming to light says something about the ethics of certain companies.

Make no mistake. Huawei makes good products and they have grown market share
in leaps and bounds. It's the way they grew that market share that raises
questions.

CCIE # 23962 (SP)

Sent from my iPhone

On 15 Oct 2012, at 8:35 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I am not against a chinese company doing any business here, we have been
using their products for ages, but i am against any company/country infringing
on Ciscobs intellectual property and/or copying any other product/s made
else where and selling it much cheaper than your cost.
>
> There are lots of other companies that compete against Cisco and I don't
think anyone is against that, but this company was clearly in violation of
Ciscobs intellectual property and they lost the case in court (From what i
believe). This is not the first time that companies (Small or large) have
adversely effected a business here in US or Au or anywhere else for that
matter.
>
> Few years ago I received an email from this guy in this particular country
asking me if i would like to purchase a printed version of MY books for $50.
NOW.....what do you say to that? You have no jurisdiction in that country, so
what do you do?
>
> I honestly think it's about time someone talks about doing something about
it.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Shaughn <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> Seems the truth is coming out in the wash
>>
>> http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=225892&
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 15 Oct 2012, at 7:59 PM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I hope this doesn't come across a nationalistic or xenophobic but in
regards
>> to Huwaei, are any of you uncomfortable having a Chinese company providing
>> your core infrastructure? I am sure all governments participate in state
>> sponsored hacking, but the Chinese just seem to take it to a whole
different
>> level. Combined with the fact that Ren Zhengfei, the founder of the
company,
>> served as an engineer in the Chinese army in the early 1980. Just last
week
>> the US House Intelligence Committee called Huwaei a national security
threat
>>
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/09/us/us-panel-calls-huawei-and-zte-national-s
>> ecurity-threat.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0.
>> >
>> > -Marc Abel
>> > CCIE #35470
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Tony Singh <mothafungla_at_gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >> Huwaei now Cisco's main competitor Cisco said themselves, I'm surprised
>> how easy uk government have made it for them, Fujitsu Ericsson have had to
>> come out of their respective markets as they cant compete financially,
Huwaei
>> have just announced a 1.3b deal in the uk which see's them opening and r&d
>> plant in London , they have also employed lords as advisors to their board
-
>> so to sweeten the government!
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> BR
>> >>
>> >> Tony
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone on 3
>> >>
>> >> On 15 Oct 2012, at 18:06, Shaughn <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Agreed
>> >> >
>> >> > It's a pity far too many operators these days put more emphasis on
price
>> than on an actual like for like basis.
>> >> >
>> >> > The initial price might be low but those multi year services
agreements
>> tend to make up for that
>> >> >
>> >> > Just saying
>> >> >
>> >> > CCIE # 23962 (SP)
>> >> >
>> >> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >> >
>> >> > On 15 Oct 2012, at 6:35 PM, Cristian Ionescu <cristi.fx_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi guys
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I must say that not allways the price is everything. You must take
in
>> consideration also the post-sales support.
>> >> >> Of course is hard to beat huawei on prices. They are working with
price
>> dumping and they want, if possible, the whole pie.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cristian
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Oct 15, 2012, at 9:00, Muhammad Nasim <muhammad.nasim_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> If Price is the case, check Huwaie NE series, you will not be
>> disappointed,
>> >> >>> I have seen big big ISPs here in middleeast who never in their
DREAM
>> wanted
>> >> >>> to go for Huwaie (you know right how we networking guys always
think
>> Cisco,
>> >> >>> Juniper,F5 , Brocade and others but NO HUWAIE). However after
seeing
>> the
>> >> >>> price difference they went for Huwai.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I know big deal of Smart City soluiton here in middleeast where
Cisco
>> >> >>> worked like crazy on prices but at the end HUWAI took the prices. I
>> really
>> >> >>> doubt if anyone can beat HUWAI prices : )
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Routing Freak
>> <routingfreak_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Gaurav, ASR's price is very expensive when compared to SSR or
MX960.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Joe, u got to be kidding me. no way that Huwaei bought Ericsson.
>> Ericsson
>> >> >>>> acquired Redback and Redbacks product such as Smart Edge is now
under
>> >> >>>> Ercisson control
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> and now Ericsson has built its own Multi Service Edge router called
as
>> SSR
>> >> >>>> ( Smart Service Router ) which is fast replacing all Cisco ASR 9k
>> and
>> >> >>>> Junipers MX960 in the market nowadays.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Becasue its price is low when compared with ASR or MX and its
>> performance
>> >> >>>> and feature set and their fabric architecture is too good when
>> compared to
>> >> >>>> ASR9k.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I dont have much idea on MX960 fabric, but SSR fabric and
throughput
>> is
>> >> >>>> extrememly good when compared to ASR9k
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> 140Gb/slot thorughput with 20 slots and three stage fabric with
benes
>> >> >>>> architecture separated by midplanes and 188 Packet switching
engines
>> and
>> >> >>>> dedicated Fabric Queues
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Overall the throughput of the box is 2Tb .
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> HI alberto
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Thanks for ur suggestion, a quick question on MX960 . Whether
MX960
>> has te
>> >> >>>> hardware forwarding rate for Subscriber traffic and has built in
>> Hardware
>> >> >>>> QOS ( Txring and RXring ) for wach customer profile. Is it
possible
>> in
>> >> >>>> MX960.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Hi Marko
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> What is ur suggestion on Redback based routers ? Redback is good
old
>> >> >>>> router. Now on the new age, do u see anyone knows about these SSR
or
>> SE
>> >> >>>> routers in the real time market .
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Alberto
<albertofsantos_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> Hi there,
>> >> >>>>> I think u should at least test Ericsson's SSR, it is a mult
service
>> >> >>>> router
>> >> >>>>> and it incorporate almost all smartedge featues and Based on what
>> i've
>> >> >>>> seem
>> >> >>>>> it will scale more than MX's and ASR's
>> >> >>>>> Either in number of sessions or thrput
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> BR/
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Enviado via iPhone
>> >> >>>>> CCIE# 26648
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Em 14/10/2012, `s 13:50, Routing Freak <routingfreak_at_gmail.com>
>> >> >>>> escreveu:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Hi all
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> I have a brand new customer site building up for their Edge
>> >> >>>> functionality
>> >> >>>>>> such as Broadband Aggregation and Broadband Network Gateway (
BNG
>> )
>> >> >>>> for
>> >> >>>>>> their 10000 + Customer base sites. I have a option to use
either
>> >> >>>>> Ericsson
>> >> >>>>>> SSR router or Juniper MX 960 series router
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Can anyone suggest me which one to go for ? Either for Ericsson
SSR
>> >> >>>>> Router
>> >> >>>>>> or junipers MX960.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Has anyone worked previously in Ericsson SSR router. I have seen
a
>> very
>> >> >>>>>> good feature set for BNG . Has anyone advice me on Ericsson
router.
>> I
>> >> >>>>> have
>> >> >>>>>> seen that there is a good customer base for Ericsson in
Broadband
>> >> >>>> Network
>> >> >>>>>> Aggregation and Broadband Network Gateway
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> And i have seen the Juniper MX960 performance and also their
>> feature
>> >> >>>> set
>> >> >>>>>> for BNG is quite good. But MX Series is only used as a Metro
>> Ethernet
>> >> >>>>>> Profile and also as a MPLS box exclusively and they dont have a
>> very
>> >> >>>> good
>> >> >>>>>> performance on BNG set as far as the comments and feedback from
>> several
>> >> >>>>>> peers and customers.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> So can anyone shed some light on both these routers and has
anyone
>> has
>> >> >>>>> some
>> >> >>>>>> real time experience in working on these routers on BNG front.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Please do advice me on this .
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> THanks.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
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>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
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>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Muhammad Nasim
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
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