Re: OT: Ericsson SSR Router Vs Juniper MX series

I am not against a chinese company doing any business here, we have been
using their products for ages, but i am against any company/country
infringing
on Ciscos intellectual property and/or copying any other product/s made
else where and selling it much cheaper than *your cost*.

There are lots of other companies that compete against Cisco and I don't
think anyone is against that, but this company was clearly in
violation of Ciscos
intellectual property and they lost the case in court (From what i
believe). This is not the first time that companies (Small or large) have
adversely effected a business here in US or Au or anywhere else for that
matter.

Few years ago I received an email from this guy in this particular country
asking me if i would like to purchase a printed version of MY books for
$50. NOW.....what do you say to that? You have no jurisdiction in that
country, so what do you do?

I honestly think it's about time someone talks about doing something about
it.

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Shaughn <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Seems the truth is coming out in the wash
>
> http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=225892&
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 15 Oct 2012, at 7:59 PM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I hope this doesn't come across a nationalistic or xenophobic but in
> regards
> to Huwaei, are any of you uncomfortable having a Chinese company providing
> your core infrastructure? I am sure all governments participate in state
> sponsored hacking, but the Chinese just seem to take it to a whole
> different
> level. Combined with the fact that Ren Zhengfei, the founder of the
> company,
> served as an engineer in the Chinese army in the early 1980. Just last week
> the US House Intelligence Committee called Huwaei a national security
> threat
>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/09/us/us-panel-calls-huawei-and-zte-national-s
> ecurity-threat.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0.
> >
> > -Marc Abel
> > CCIE #35470
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Tony Singh <mothafungla_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Huwaei now Cisco's main competitor Cisco said themselves, I'm surprised
> how easy uk government have made it for them, Fujitsu Ericsson have had to
> come out of their respective markets as they cant compete financially,
> Huwaei
> have just announced a 1.3b deal in the uk which see's them opening and r&d
> plant in London , they have also employed lords as advisors to their board
> -
> so to sweeten the government!
> >>
> >> --
> >> BR
> >>
> >> Tony
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone on 3
> >>
> >> On 15 Oct 2012, at 18:06, Shaughn <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Agreed
> >> >
> >> > It's a pity far too many operators these days put more emphasis on
> price
> than on an actual like for like basis.
> >> >
> >> > The initial price might be low but those multi year services
> agreements
> tend to make up for that
> >> >
> >> > Just saying
> >> >
> >> > CCIE # 23962 (SP)
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> > On 15 Oct 2012, at 6:35 PM, Cristian Ionescu <cristi.fx_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi guys
> >> >>
> >> >> I must say that not allways the price is everything. You must take in
> consideration also the post-sales support.
> >> >> Of course is hard to beat huawei on prices. They are working with
> price
> dumping and they want, if possible, the whole pie.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cristian
> >> >>
> >> >> On Oct 15, 2012, at 9:00, Muhammad Nasim <muhammad.nasim_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> If Price is the case, check Huwaie NE series, you will not be
> disappointed,
> >> >>> I have seen big big ISPs here in middleeast who never in their DREAM
> wanted
> >> >>> to go for Huwaie (you know right how we networking guys always think
> Cisco,
> >> >>> Juniper,F5 , Brocade and others but NO HUWAIE). However after seeing
> the
> >> >>> price difference they went for Huwai.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I know big deal of Smart City soluiton here in middleeast where
> Cisco
> >> >>> worked like crazy on prices but at the end HUWAI took the prices. I
> really
> >> >>> doubt if anyone can beat HUWAI prices : )
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Routing Freak
> <routingfreak_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Gaurav, ASR's price is very expensive when compared to SSR or
> MX960.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Joe, u got to be kidding me. no way that Huwaei bought Ericsson.
> Ericsson
> >> >>>> acquired Redback and Redbacks product such as Smart Edge is now
> under
> >> >>>> Ercisson control
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> and now Ericsson has built its own Multi Service Edge router
> called as
> SSR
> >> >>>> ( Smart Service Router ) which is fast replacing all Cisco ASR 9k
> and
> >> >>>> Junipers MX960 in the market nowadays.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Becasue its price is low when compared with ASR or MX and its
> performance
> >> >>>> and feature set and their fabric architecture is too good when
> compared to
> >> >>>> ASR9k.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I dont have much idea on MX960 fabric, but SSR fabric and
> throughput
> is
> >> >>>> extrememly good when compared to ASR9k
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 140Gb/slot thorughput with 20 slots and three stage fabric with
> benes
> >> >>>> architecture separated by midplanes and 188 Packet switching
> engines
> and
> >> >>>> dedicated Fabric Queues
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Overall the throughput of the box is 2Tb .
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> HI alberto
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thanks for ur suggestion, a quick question on MX960 . Whether MX960
> has te
> >> >>>> hardware forwarding rate for Subscriber traffic and has built in
> Hardware
> >> >>>> QOS ( Txring and RXring ) for wach customer profile. Is it possible
> in
> >> >>>> MX960.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Hi Marko
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> What is ur suggestion on Redback based routers ? Redback is good
> old
> >> >>>> router. Now on the new age, do u see anyone knows about these SSR
> or
> SE
> >> >>>> routers in the real time market .
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Alberto <albertofsantos_at_gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Hi there,
> >> >>>>> I think u should at least test Ericsson's SSR, it is a mult
> service
> >> >>>> router
> >> >>>>> and it incorporate almost all smartedge featues and Based on what
> i've
> >> >>>> seem
> >> >>>>> it will scale more than MX's and ASR's
> >> >>>>> Either in number of sessions or thrput
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> BR/
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Enviado via iPhone
> >> >>>>> CCIE# 26648
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Em 14/10/2012, `s 13:50, Routing Freak <routingfreak_at_gmail.com>
> >> >>>> escreveu:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Hi all
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I have a brand new customer site building up for their Edge
> >> >>>> functionality
> >> >>>>>> such as Broadband Aggregation and Broadband Network Gateway (
> BNG
> )
> >> >>>> for
> >> >>>>>> their 10000 + Customer base sites. I have a option to use either
> >> >>>>> Ericsson
> >> >>>>>> SSR router or Juniper MX 960 series router
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Can anyone suggest me which one to go for ? Either for Ericsson
> SSR
> >> >>>>> Router
> >> >>>>>> or junipers MX960.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Has anyone worked previously in Ericsson SSR router. I have seen
> a
> very
> >> >>>>>> good feature set for BNG . Has anyone advice me on Ericsson
> router.
> I
> >> >>>>> have
> >> >>>>>> seen that there is a good customer base for Ericsson in Broadband
> >> >>>> Network
> >> >>>>>> Aggregation and Broadband Network Gateway
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> And i have seen the Juniper MX960 performance and also their
> feature
> >> >>>> set
> >> >>>>>> for BNG is quite good. But MX Series is only used as a Metro
> Ethernet
> >> >>>>>> Profile and also as a MPLS box exclusively and they dont have a
> very
> >> >>>> good
> >> >>>>>> performance on BNG set as far as the comments and feedback from
> several
> >> >>>>>> peers and customers.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> So can anyone shed some light on both these routers and has
> anyone
> has
> >> >>>>> some
> >> >>>>>> real time experience in working on these routers on BNG front.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Please do advice me on this .
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> THanks.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
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> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Muhammad Nasim
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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> > Marc Abel
> > CCIE #35470
> > (Routing and Switching)
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