Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India

Dear Imran,

I am sure you are right about narbik since i have heard alot of
good things about him. I was just giving my point of view that dumps are
available to everyone. And no one is in the position to tell that who used it
and who didnt.

@Narbik, dont be angry, i was'nt claiming that you cheated.
This would be very impolite and disrespectful. But if you did take it
offensive then my sincere apologies. I hope no hard feelings
________________________________
 From: Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com>
To:
Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
Cc: Ovais Iqbal
<ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>; Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>; Marko Milivojevic
<markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: Groupbuy for passccielab
in India
 
Iqbal,

you can doubt that most of narbik students cheeted all the
way up to ccie ,
but not narbik itself , i can tell this because he work
reflect through
knowledge in RnS areana .
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:26 PM,
Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Iqbal,
>
> *Sir everything is
ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes the
> lab, cant prove
that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you *
>
> When i took the lab, we
did not have real labs or any other crap like that,
> so please do not EVEN
mention that, not even as an example, NEVER. You do
> not know me well enough.
>
> Have a good day sir.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Ovais Iqbal
<ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Narbik,
> >
> > Dont take it
offensive but were you there with your students 24/7 in
> their
> > lives ? i
mean how can you be so sure that they didnt use any of the real
> > labs out
there ? just because they are hardworking and they performed
> well
> > in
your bootcamp/mock labs still leaves the fear that what if we fail the
> > lab
? I am not saying your students (the one you mentioned) cheated but
> > sorry
there is no way they can ever prove they didnt. Period.
> >
> > Now, as you
mentioned that they will surely be spotted in interview or
> > during their
job tasks ? Sorry but you are wrong here too. I know 3
> > engineers (my
fellow country man) whose resumes are by far most
> impressive
> > then many
so called GENUINE CCIEs, and they know their stuff. One of the
> > DUMPER (one
of these 3 guys) were interviewed by a pannel of 7 ppl (with
> > couple ccie's
among them) and he got selected. But he was a dumper !! so
> > where does your
theory goes now that he wont perform in the real life ?
> and
> > he was also
your student, cant take his name for obvious reasons now.
> >
> > Sir
everything is ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes
> the
> >
lab, cant prove that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you :-)
> >
> >
Guys, this discussion has been raised so many times and everyone start
> >
jumping in, claiming (indirectly almost) that they or their students
> never
>
> cheated or they dont even know that real labs exist.
> >
> > No offense to
anyone :-)
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Narbik
Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > *To:* Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
> >
*Cc:* Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
> <
>
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:42 AM
> >
> >
*Subject:* Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India
> >
> > One of my students
proved to me that this guy is from India and he did
> > cheat in his written
exam, apparently he proudly mentioned it in one of
> his
> > posts in this
particular forum.
> >
> > That is bad, this can make anyone angry. But please
don't be
> disappointed,
> > there are cheaters every where, but these guys do
not last long, because
> > sooner or later they have to find a job and they
will not be able to
> > perform at a CCIE level.
> >
> > Two of my students
passed recently without cheating at all:
> > *Kevin Huff #**35841*
> > *Amrik
Singh #35824*".
> >
> >
> > These guys worked very hard, if you work hard you
will succeed, you don't
> > need to cheat at all.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012
at 8:17 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > How do
you know that this guy is from India, China or Russia?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
>
> >> Hi Narbik,
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Narbik
Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > Marko,
> > >> >
> >
>> > Don't be tired of hearing the truth, first of all how do you know
> >
where
> > >> > they are coming from?
> > >>
> > >> Surely you're not
suggesting that there is no pattern in the origin of
> > >> the names of
people posting questions relating to dodgy CCIE
> > >> preparation material.
Surely.
> > >>
> > >> > To name three countries with such conviction, means
>
> >> > that you know for sure. Remember that you need to be 100 percent
>
sure,
> > >> > besides, how do you know where they are being sold? Just
because the
> > >> guys
> > >> > name is Vikas it does not mean that it's
being sold in India, the
> > person
> > >> > might be Indian but he could be
selling them from another country.
> > >>
> > >> Maybe, but how long do you
think the crooks would stay in business if
> > >> there is no demand? Kill the
demand in their biggest markets and you
> > >> destroy the viability of their
business.
> > >>
> > >> > How do you differentiate an Indian name from a
Pakistani name?
> > >>
> > >> Would you be happier with "Indian subcontinent"?
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Dale
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
*Narbik Kocharians
> > > *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > >
*www.MicronicsTraining.com* <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
> >
> > > Sr.
Technical Instructor
> > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > > A Cisco
Learning Partner
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Narbik Kocharians
> >
*CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > *www.MicronicsTraining.com*
<http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
> >
> > Sr. Technical Instructor
> > YES!
We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > A Cisco Learning Partner
> >
> >
> > Blogs
and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >
> >
Received on Thu Jul 05 2012 - 06:04:07 ART