Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India

Dear Narbik,

You passed the lab when almost everyone was passing :-) The real
labs were there. No matter how much you want to deny it, they were there.

I
dont need to know you well enough to make this statement. Its just a matter of
fact. I am not saying you cheated, but you can never prove you didnt :-)

No
offense narbik, this is the way it is

________________________________
From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
To: Ovais Iqbal
<ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>
Cc: Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>; Marko
Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:26 PM
Subject: Re:
Groupbuy for passccielab in India
 

Iqbal,
Sir everything is ambiguous and
blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes the lab, cant prove that they didnt use
the real labs. Not even you

When i took the lab, we did not have real labs
or any other crap like that, so please do not EVEN mention that, not even as
an example, NEVER. You do not know me well enough.
 
Have a good day sir.
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Ovais Iqbal <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Narbik,
>
>
>
>Dont take it offensive but were you there with your
students 24/7 in their lives ? i mean how can you be so sure that they didnt
use any of the real labs out there ? just because they are hardworking and
they performed well in your bootcamp/mock labs still leaves the fear that what
if we fail the lab ? I am not saying your students (the one you mentioned)
cheated but sorry there is no way they can ever prove they didnt. Period.
>
>
>Now, as you mentioned that they will surely be spotted in interview or during
their job tasks ? Sorry but you are wrong here too. I know 3 engineers (my
fellow country man) whose resumes are by far most impressive then many so
called GENUINE CCIEs, and they know their stuff. One of the DUMPER (one of
these 3 guys) were interviewed by a pannel of 7 ppl (with couple ccie's among
them) and he got selected. But he was a dumper !! so where does your theory
goes now that he wont perform in the real life ? and he was also your student,
cant take his name for obvious reasons now.
>
>
>
>Sir everything is ambiguous
and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes the lab, cantprove that they didnt
use the real labs. Not even you :-)
>
>
>
>Guys, this discussion has been
raised so many times and everyone start jumping in, claiming (indirectly
almost) that they or their students never cheated or they dont even know that
real labs exist.
>
>
>
>No offense to anyone :-)
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Narbik Kocharians
<narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>To: Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
>Cc: Marko
Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:42 AM
>
>Subject:
Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India
>
>
>One of my students proved to me
that this guy is from India and he did
>cheat in his written exam, apparently
he proudly mentioned it in one of his
>posts in this particular forum.
>
>That
is bad, this can make anyone angry. But please don't be disappointed,
>there
are cheaters every where, but these guys do not last long, because
>sooner or
later they have to find a job and they will not be able to
>perform at a CCIE
level.
>
>Two of my students passed recently without cheating at all:
>*Kevin
Huff #**35841*
>*Amrik Singh #35824*".
>
>
>These guys worked very hard, if
you work hard you will succeed, you don't
>need to cheat at all.
>
>On Tue,
Jul 3, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How
do you know that this guy is from India, China or Russia?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue,
Jul 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM,
 Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
Narbik,
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Narbik Kocharians
<narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Marko,
>>> >
>>> > Don't be tired of
hearing the truth, first of all how do you know where
>>> > they are coming
from?
>>>
>>> Surely you're not suggesting that there is no pattern in the
origin of
>>> the names of people posting questions relating to dodgy CCIE
>>>
preparation material. Surely.
>>>
>>> > To name three countries with such
conviction, means
>>> > that you know for sure. Remember that you need to be
100 percent sure,
>>> > besides, how do you know where they are being sold?
Just because the
>>> guys
>>> > name is Vikas it does not mean that it's being
sold in India, the person
>>> > might be Indian but he could be selling them
from another country.
>>>
>>> Maybe, but how long do you think the crooks
would stay in business if
>>> there is no demand? Kill the demand in their
biggest markets and you
>>> destroy the viability of their business.
>>>
>>> >
How do you differentiate an Indian name from a Pakistani name?
>>>
>>> Would
you be happier with "Indian subcontinent"?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dale
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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