Re: CCIE certification value.

Rightly pointed out Abbas....

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Mohamed A. Abbas <m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I agree with Eng. Scott but Eng. Scott the point is not just asking that
> way but at least I should be able to describe why this and not that and for
> me i get into the CCIE exam and feel the feeling once its more about
> controlling your self inside that the most important thing don't be afraid
> because I am down for this reason but I just want to say the old guys who
> took it the hard way and many people forgot the commands but I think they
> should not forgot why this and not that this is the difference between
> Expert and Proff or Asso. level also and again CCIE is not every thing
> there's something hidden I can't name it but still to be Scott Morris or to
> be Brian Dennis or Roman Radi.. or Anthony or Khawar the point is how much
> pain you got to do this and much pain much stronger you are engineer now
> looking to the fast way and sometimes I do this too but when I am free
> between my self I know I am weak at this part so I go again and again to
> study it and now after failing in CCIE I learned many things learned how to
> keep alive forever. this is the hidden thing which makes you stronger and
> also interview is not every thing because it just like the lab exam you can
> pass and you don't gain any full knowledge and I saw those people every
> where.
>
> Hope people understand that this is engineer we are doing this to make
> people happy so we have to pay from our time and sit down and study and to
> all from a student to all these expert guys who is explaining the networks
> I just learned one thing Practice practiced Practice and practice here they
> mean the knowledge and the configs.
>
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> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Scott Morris <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
>
> > What's wrong with the old guys? ;)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> >
> > CCDE #2009::D, CCNP-Voice, JNCIE-SP #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
> >
> > IPv6 Gold Certified Engineer, IPv6 Gold Certified Trainer
> >
> > CCSI #21903, JNCI-SP, JNCI-ER
> >
> > swm_at_emanon.com
> >
> >
> > Knowledge is power.
> >
> > Power corrupts.
> >
> > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >
> > On 7/2/12 7:59 AM, Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
> > >> older the number, the more cautious I am of a candidate I'm
> > interviewing...
> > > Wiser words never spoken...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Jay McMickle
> > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 7:16 AM
> > > To: shekhar sharma
> > > Cc: Cisco certification
> > > Subject: Re: CCIE certification value.
> > >
> > > I've seen twice replies coming in, and would like to offer my opinion
> as
> > well.
> > >
> > > As a Technical Lead, as well as a hiring manager, I interview quit a
> few
> > candidates. Most are CCIE's, or nearing it.
> > >
> > > I would like to mention that a CCIE isn't the ends to all means. It may
> > mean that they once were great, but have moves into a role that doesn't
> > engage those skills.
> > >
> > > Not to irritate any others here, but I'm sure some will admit, the
> older
> > the number, the more cautious I am of a candidate I'm interviewing. I
> > interviewed a double IE with a 9xxx number, that had forgotten BGP
> backdoor
> > and BGP local-as (to help transition BGP numbers in our case).
> > >
> > > A skill/cert is like your windshield wipers. Don't use them and after a
> > period of time, they won't work either. ;)
> > >
> > > It's all about the skillset that the Engineer is fresh with. I once
> > heard that you are never as good as you once were, right before your
> > passing of your IE (quote Narbik).
> > >
> > > To be honest, I passed 2 months ago, and I can't recall all of the
> > frame-relay and OSPF tricks I learned as I don't work with either in my
> > environment (MPLS, BGP, and EIGRP).
> > >
> > > Stay fresh on your skills and never become complaicent.
> > >
> > > Happy labbing.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
> > > Sent from iJay
> > >
> > > On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:27 AM, shekhar sharma <shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi All,
> > >>
> > >> First of all , before sharing anything , I want to say that I mean no
> > >> offense to anybody or any certifications.
> > >>
> > >> Just want you people to share your views on CCIE certification value.
> > >>
> > >> I am very upset with my experience with 3 CCIE certified candidates
> > >>
> > >> I was interviewing 3 CCIE candidates for my company requirement,
> > >> although I am not a CCIE ...am preparing for the LAB,just cleared the
> > written.
> > >>
> > >> Out of three , two guys are CCIE(R&S) Lab certified and one is dual
> > >> CCIE(R&S + Service Provider).
> > >>
> > >> The first candidate was average on theortical knowledge on various
> > >> technologies that I didn't expect form a CCIE .But the main part is
> > >> that he doesn't have any practical knowledge on the actual
> > >> implementation in real world.
> > >>
> > >> The second candidate was below average on theortical knowledge ,not
> > >> able to answer even few OSPF questions and forget about the practical
> > >> part. He too was zero on it.
> > >>
> > >> Now the third candidate who is dual CCIE .He is working in Cisco. I
> > >> was expecting a lot from him. He was good on the technical knowledge
> > >> ...not as good as I expected......but again on the implementation part
> > he was zero.
> > >>
> > >> Don't you guys think that Cisco certifications have become a
> > >> ediucation buisness.I could be wrong in saying that but... i think the
> > >> trend has changed now ....and everyone is running for just
> > >> certification not becoming actual IE.
> > >>
> > >> And this is affecting a lot the value of CCIE certification .....
> > >>
> > >> Again I mean no offense to anyone who is preparing for CCIE...I am too
> > >> preparing for LAB ,,, and some of the assumptions I have made could
> > >> be wrong.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Shekhar
> > >>
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