Re: CCIE certification value.

Hi Yuri,

I want to point out one thing that I took that interviews with full honesty.
May be u have experinced some guys who are jealous with ccie or they think
ccie is worthless...

But I repect the CCIE as you and other members......and what I will gain by
asking them difficult questions which they can't answer only to ruin them
..???

And I have not advertised myself as a CCIE because I am not ...i am a
learner and will be a learner even after completing my CCIE.
I felt the need of sharing my experience..... because i was concerned for
CCIE certification value....and these candidates response was shock for
me.....may be not for lot of people..............

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Yuri Bank <yuribank_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> This kind of attitude is pretty common against CCIEs. Usually, people
> either think the certification itself is worthless, they're jealous,
> or a combination of the two. It basically comes down to 'Oh this guy
> is a CCIE? Oh whats he know! I'm going to try and ask him some
> questions he doesn't know and prove that he doesn't know $%*#'
>
> Yawn. Seen this many times. Just means you have to be on your toes,
> and be humble. Don't go around advertising yourself as a CCIE.
> Advertise yourself as somebody who understands Networking, the
> technologies and protocols.
>
> -Yuri
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:30 AM, shekhar sharma
> <shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > thanks venkat for taking this in positive way.....
> >
> > Actually It was a really shock for me,,,,,,,,Still i am not able to
> digest
> > that stuff
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:54 PM, venkat <venkat.elex_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Shekhar,
> >>
> >> I had similar experience and started not looking for certifications
> when
> >> starting an interview.. If a candidate can answer good number of
> questions
> >> and strong on protocols (yes, candidate may have to review their CCIE
> notes
> >> before attending an interview where they quote CCIE #logo) and his past
> >> networking experience, then we consider his/her certifications. And if
> he
> >> is CCIE then he is real gem and we offer what he deserves.
> >> We had bad experience with few candidates with CCNA/NP(or any other
> >> vendor certification for matter) who doesn't know very basic. But they
> can
> >> be easily isolated in interview. So, don't worry about few black sheep
> in
> >> market..
> >>
> >> Work hard for your CCIE# and keep refreshing technologies even after
> your
> >> CCIE#..
> >>
> >> Happy Studying,
> >> Venkat
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've seen twice replies coming in, and would like to offer my opinion
> as
> >>> well.
> >>>
> >>> As a Technical Lead, as well as a hiring manager, I interview quit a
> few
> >>> candidates. Most are CCIE's, or nearing it.
> >>>
> >>> I would like to mention that a CCIE isn't the ends to all means. It may
> >>> mean that they once were great, but have moves into a role that doesn't
> >>> engage those skills.
> >>>
> >>> Not to irritate any others here, but I'm sure some will admit, the
> older
> >>> the number, the more cautious I am of a candidate I'm interviewing. I
> >>> interviewed a double IE with a 9xxx number, that had forgotten BGP
> backdoor
> >>> and BGP local-as (to help transition BGP numbers in our case).
> >>>
> >>> A skill/cert is like your windshield wipers. Don't use them and after a
> >>> period of time, they won't work either. ;)
> >>>
> >>> It's all about the skillset that the Engineer is fresh with. I once
> heard
> >>> that you are never as good as you once were, right before your passing
> of
> >>> your IE (quote Narbik).
> >>>
> >>> To be honest, I passed 2 months ago, and I can't recall all of the
> >>> frame-relay and OSPF tricks I learned as I don't work with either in my
> >>> environment (MPLS, BGP, and EIGRP).
> >>>
> >>> Stay fresh on your skills and never become complaicent.
> >>>
> >>> Happy labbing.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
> >>> Sent from iJay
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:27 AM, shekhar sharma <shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Hi All,
> >>> >
> >>> > First of all , before sharing anything , I want to say that I mean no
> >>> > offense to anybody or any certifications.
> >>> >
> >>> > Just want you people to share your views on CCIE certification
> value.
> >>> >
> >>> > I am very upset with my experience with 3 CCIE certified candidates
> >>> >
> >>> > I was interviewing 3 CCIE candidates for my company requirement,
> >>> although I
> >>> > am not a CCIE ...am preparing for the LAB,just cleared the written.
> >>> >
> >>> > Out of three , two guys are CCIE(R&S) Lab certified and one is dual
> >>> > CCIE(R&S + Service Provider).
> >>> >
> >>> > The first candidate was average on theortical knowledge on various
> >>> > technologies that I didn't expect form a CCIE .But the main part is
> >>> that he
> >>> > doesn't have any practical knowledge on the actual implementation in
> >>> real
> >>> > world.
> >>> >
> >>> > The second candidate was below average on theortical knowledge ,not
> >>> able to
> >>> > answer even few OSPF questions and forget about the practical part.
> He
> >>> too
> >>> > was zero on it.
> >>> >
> >>> > Now the third candidate who is dual CCIE .He is working in Cisco. I
> was
> >>> > expecting a lot from him. He was good on the technical knowledge
> ...not
> >>> as
> >>> > good as I expected......but again on the implementation part he was
> >>> zero.
> >>> >
> >>> > Don't you guys think that Cisco certifications have become a
> ediucation
> >>> > buisness.I could be wrong in saying that but... i think the trend has
> >>> > changed now ....and everyone is running for just certification not
> >>> becoming
> >>> > actual IE.
> >>> >
> >>> > And this is affecting a lot the value of CCIE certification .....
> >>> >
> >>> > Again I mean no offense to anyone who is preparing for CCIE...I am
> too
> >>> > preparing for LAB ,,, and some of the assumptions I have made could
> be
> >>> > wrong.
> >>> >
> >>> > Regards,
> >>> > Shekhar
> >>> >
> >>> >
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