Re: CCIE certification value.

I have sat 3 times on V4 w/out any dumps and come up short. I have been
working on CCIE for well over 2 years. I got CCNA back in 2008. Had my own
full CCIE rack for most of 2009-2011 and have rented more than 400 hours of
rack time since moving from that job. I have also learned more about GNS3
than I ever cared to and can mark 1000's of hours there as well.

Jobs are not certifications but until I got my CCNA, even with a college
degree in Information Systems, I was constantly overlooked for any position
except sitting on desktop or small ISP service desk. Once I got CCNA and
put it on the resume, call backs followed. Within months of getting CCNA, I
got a Network Analyst job. That was an amazing thing for me. After spending
4 years and over $50,000 for a career... All that time, effort, and money
was eclipsed by reading a few books, attending a bootcamp, and a $250 test.
Crazy!!!! Makes me wonder what the hell they were trying to teach me in
both high school and college that would enable me to be competitive...

Certifications don't equal jobs but there seems to be an obvious
relationship between the two and much more so than a college degree.... So
moving forward, staying on the certification track makes more sense,
regardless of the unfortunate truths coming to light.

Cisco created V4 to combat cheating and dumps. The content has become more
involved, the questions have become more outlandish. I have felt prepared
every time only to come across a few items that have destroyed all chances
in those attempts. I am not making excuses for my failures but I am getting
a little jaded on the whole subject... especially when the truth sits
before me.

Still, I enjoy what I do and CCIE is what to strive for in this arena. Like
everything in life, it isn't perfect.... but it apparently serves the
purpose if you seem to interview only CCIE level candidates.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:00 AM, shekhar sharma
<shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Rightly pointed out Abbas....
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Mohamed A. Abbas <m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I agree with Eng. Scott but Eng. Scott the point is not just asking that
> > way but at least I should be able to describe why this and not that and
> for
> > me i get into the CCIE exam and feel the feeling once its more about
> > controlling your self inside that the most important thing don't be
> afraid
> > because I am down for this reason but I just want to say the old guys who
> > took it the hard way and many people forgot the commands but I think they
> > should not forgot why this and not that this is the difference between
> > Expert and Proff or Asso. level also and again CCIE is not every thing
> > there's something hidden I can't name it but still to be Scott Morris or
> to
> > be Brian Dennis or Roman Radi.. or Anthony or Khawar the point is how
> much
> > pain you got to do this and much pain much stronger you are engineer now
> > looking to the fast way and sometimes I do this too but when I am free
> > between my self I know I am weak at this part so I go again and again to
> > study it and now after failing in CCIE I learned many things learned how
> to
> > keep alive forever. this is the hidden thing which makes you stronger and
> > also interview is not every thing because it just like the lab exam you
> can
> > pass and you don't gain any full knowledge and I saw those people every
> > where.
> >
> > Hope people understand that this is engineer we are doing this to make
> > people happy so we have to pay from our time and sit down and study and
> to
> > all from a student to all these expert guys who is explaining the
> networks
> > I just learned one thing Practice practiced Practice and practice here
> they
> > mean the knowledge and the configs.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > *
> > --
> > Eng. Mohamed A. Monsef
> > Cisco Networks Engineer
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> >
> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Scott Morris <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What's wrong with the old guys? ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> #4713,
> > >
> > > CCDE #2009::D, CCNP-Voice, JNCIE-SP #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
> > >
> > > IPv6 Gold Certified Engineer, IPv6 Gold Certified Trainer
> > >
> > > CCSI #21903, JNCI-SP, JNCI-ER
> > >
> > > swm_at_emanon.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Knowledge is power.
> > >
> > > Power corrupts.
> > >
> > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> > >
> > > On 7/2/12 7:59 AM, Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
> > > >> older the number, the more cautious I am of a candidate I'm
> > > interviewing...
> > > > Wiser words never spoken...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > Jay McMickle
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 7:16 AM
> > > > To: shekhar sharma
> > > > Cc: Cisco certification
> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE certification value.
> > > >
> > > > I've seen twice replies coming in, and would like to offer my opinion
> > as
> > > well.
> > > >
> > > > As a Technical Lead, as well as a hiring manager, I interview quit a
> > few
> > > candidates. Most are CCIE's, or nearing it.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to mention that a CCIE isn't the ends to all means. It
> may
> > > mean that they once were great, but have moves into a role that doesn't
> > > engage those skills.
> > > >
> > > > Not to irritate any others here, but I'm sure some will admit, the
> > older
> > > the number, the more cautious I am of a candidate I'm interviewing. I
> > > interviewed a double IE with a 9xxx number, that had forgotten BGP
> > backdoor
> > > and BGP local-as (to help transition BGP numbers in our case).
> > > >
> > > > A skill/cert is like your windshield wipers. Don't use them and
> after a
> > > period of time, they won't work either. ;)
> > > >
> > > > It's all about the skillset that the Engineer is fresh with. I once
> > > heard that you are never as good as you once were, right before your
> > > passing of your IE (quote Narbik).
> > > >
> > > > To be honest, I passed 2 months ago, and I can't recall all of the
> > > frame-relay and OSPF tricks I learned as I don't work with either in my
> > > environment (MPLS, BGP, and EIGRP).
> > > >
> > > > Stay fresh on your skills and never become complaicent.
> > > >
> > > > Happy labbing.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
> > > > Sent from iJay
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:27 AM, shekhar sharma <
> shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi All,
> > > >>
> > > >> First of all , before sharing anything , I want to say that I mean
> no
> > > >> offense to anybody or any certifications.
> > > >>
> > > >> Just want you people to share your views on CCIE certification
> value.
> > > >>
> > > >> I am very upset with my experience with 3 CCIE certified candidates
> > > >>
> > > >> I was interviewing 3 CCIE candidates for my company requirement,
> > > >> although I am not a CCIE ...am preparing for the LAB,just cleared
> the
> > > written.
> > > >>
> > > >> Out of three , two guys are CCIE(R&S) Lab certified and one is dual
> > > >> CCIE(R&S + Service Provider).
> > > >>
> > > >> The first candidate was average on theortical knowledge on various
> > > >> technologies that I didn't expect form a CCIE .But the main part is
> > > >> that he doesn't have any practical knowledge on the actual
> > > >> implementation in real world.
> > > >>
> > > >> The second candidate was below average on theortical knowledge ,not
> > > >> able to answer even few OSPF questions and forget about the
> practical
> > > >> part. He too was zero on it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Now the third candidate who is dual CCIE .He is working in Cisco. I
> > > >> was expecting a lot from him. He was good on the technical knowledge
> > > >> ...not as good as I expected......but again on the implementation
> part
> > > he was zero.
> > > >>
> > > >> Don't you guys think that Cisco certifications have become a
> > > >> ediucation buisness.I could be wrong in saying that but... i think
> the
> > > >> trend has changed now ....and everyone is running for just
> > > >> certification not becoming actual IE.
> > > >>
> > > >> And this is affecting a lot the value of CCIE certification .....
> > > >>
> > > >> Again I mean no offense to anyone who is preparing for CCIE...I am
> too
> > > >> preparing for LAB ,,, and some of the assumptions I have made could
> > > >> be wrong.
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> Shekhar
> > > >>
> > > >>
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