Re: CCIE certification value.

Re: my last SPAM post, Thanks Marc for giving me a different
perspective. Perhaps I need a larger sample than 1 week to pass
judgement.

Group: my apologies for my tone. And for the record, I am truly
impressed with the select company on this group.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:00 PM, shekhar sharma
<shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Rightly pointed out Abbas....
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Mohamed A. Abbas <m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I agree with Eng. Scott but Eng. Scott the point is not just asking that
>> way but at least I should be able to describe why this and not that and for
>> me i get into the CCIE exam and feel the feeling once its more about
>> controlling your self inside that the most important thing don't be afraid
>> because I am down for this reason but I just want to say the old guys who
>> took it the hard way and many people forgot the commands but I think they
>> should not forgot why this and not that this is the difference between
>> Expert and Proff or Asso. level also and again CCIE is not every thing
>> there's something hidden I can't name it but still to be Scott Morris or to
>> be Brian Dennis or Roman Radi.. or Anthony or Khawar the point is how much
>> pain you got to do this and much pain much stronger you are engineer now
>> looking to the fast way and sometimes I do this too but when I am free
>> between my self I know I am weak at this part so I go again and again to
>> study it and now after failing in CCIE I learned many things learned how to
>> keep alive forever. this is the hidden thing which makes you stronger and
>> also interview is not every thing because it just like the lab exam you can
>> pass and you don't gain any full knowledge and I saw those people every
>> where.
>>
>> Hope people understand that this is engineer we are doing this to make
>> people happy so we have to pay from our time and sit down and study and to
>> all from a student to all these expert guys who is explaining the networks
>> I just learned one thing Practice practiced Practice and practice here they
>> mean the knowledge and the configs.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> *
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>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Scott Morris <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
>>
>> > What's wrong with the old guys? ;)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>> >
>> > CCDE #2009::D, CCNP-Voice, JNCIE-SP #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
>> >
>> > IPv6 Gold Certified Engineer, IPv6 Gold Certified Trainer
>> >
>> > CCSI #21903, JNCI-SP, JNCI-ER
>> >
>> > swm_at_emanon.com
>> >
>> >
>> > Knowledge is power.
>> >
>> > Power corrupts.
>> >
>> > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>> >
>> > On 7/2/12 7:59 AM, Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
>> > >> older the number, the more cautious I am of a candidate I'm
>> > interviewing...
>> > > Wiser words never spoken...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>> > Jay McMickle
>> > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 7:16 AM
>> > > To: shekhar sharma
>> > > Cc: Cisco certification
>> > > Subject: Re: CCIE certification value.
>> > >
>> > > I've seen twice replies coming in, and would like to offer my opinion
>> as
>> > well.
>> > >
>> > > As a Technical Lead, as well as a hiring manager, I interview quit a
>> few
>> > candidates. Most are CCIE's, or nearing it.
>> > >
>> > > I would like to mention that a CCIE isn't the ends to all means. It may
>> > mean that they once were great, but have moves into a role that doesn't
>> > engage those skills.
>> > >
>> > > Not to irritate any others here, but I'm sure some will admit, the
>> older
>> > the number, the more cautious I am of a candidate I'm interviewing. I
>> > interviewed a double IE with a 9xxx number, that had forgotten BGP
>> backdoor
>> > and BGP local-as (to help transition BGP numbers in our case).
>> > >
>> > > A skill/cert is like your windshield wipers. Don't use them and after a
>> > period of time, they won't work either. ;)
>> > >
>> > > It's all about the skillset that the Engineer is fresh with. I once
>> > heard that you are never as good as you once were, right before your
>> > passing of your IE (quote Narbik).
>> > >
>> > > To be honest, I passed 2 months ago, and I can't recall all of the
>> > frame-relay and OSPF tricks I learned as I don't work with either in my
>> > environment (MPLS, BGP, and EIGRP).
>> > >
>> > > Stay fresh on your skills and never become complaicent.
>> > >
>> > > Happy labbing.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
>> > > Sent from iJay
>> > >
>> > > On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:27 AM, shekhar sharma <shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hi All,
>> > >>
>> > >> First of all , before sharing anything , I want to say that I mean no
>> > >> offense to anybody or any certifications.
>> > >>
>> > >> Just want you people to share your views on CCIE certification value.
>> > >>
>> > >> I am very upset with my experience with 3 CCIE certified candidates
>> > >>
>> > >> I was interviewing 3 CCIE candidates for my company requirement,
>> > >> although I am not a CCIE ...am preparing for the LAB,just cleared the
>> > written.
>> > >>
>> > >> Out of three , two guys are CCIE(R&S) Lab certified and one is dual
>> > >> CCIE(R&S + Service Provider).
>> > >>
>> > >> The first candidate was average on theortical knowledge on various
>> > >> technologies that I didn't expect form a CCIE .But the main part is
>> > >> that he doesn't have any practical knowledge on the actual
>> > >> implementation in real world.
>> > >>
>> > >> The second candidate was below average on theortical knowledge ,not
>> > >> able to answer even few OSPF questions and forget about the practical
>> > >> part. He too was zero on it.
>> > >>
>> > >> Now the third candidate who is dual CCIE .He is working in Cisco. I
>> > >> was expecting a lot from him. He was good on the technical knowledge
>> > >> ...not as good as I expected......but again on the implementation part
>> > he was zero.
>> > >>
>> > >> Don't you guys think that Cisco certifications have become a
>> > >> ediucation buisness.I could be wrong in saying that but... i think the
>> > >> trend has changed now ....and everyone is running for just
>> > >> certification not becoming actual IE.
>> > >>
>> > >> And this is affecting a lot the value of CCIE certification .....
>> > >>
>> > >> Again I mean no offense to anyone who is preparing for CCIE...I am too
>> > >> preparing for LAB ,,, and some of the assumptions I have made could
>> > >> be wrong.
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >> Shekhar
>> > >>
>> > >>
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