Re: CCIE certification value.

Hello,

I agree with Eng. Scott but Eng. Scott the point is not just asking that
way but at least I should be able to describe why this and not that and for
me i get into the CCIE exam and feel the feeling once its more about
controlling your self inside that the most important thing don't be afraid
because I am down for this reason but I just want to say the old guys who
took it the hard way and many people forgot the commands but I think they
should not forgot why this and not that this is the difference between
Expert and Proff or Asso. level also and again CCIE is not every thing
there's something hidden I can't name it but still to be Scott Morris or to
be Brian Dennis or Roman Radi.. or Anthony or Khawar the point is how much
pain you got to do this and much pain much stronger you are engineer now
looking to the fast way and sometimes I do this too but when I am free
between my self I know I am weak at this part so I go again and again to
study it and now after failing in CCIE I learned many things learned how to
keep alive forever. this is the hidden thing which makes you stronger and
also interview is not every thing because it just like the lab exam you can
pass and you don't gain any full knowledge and I saw those people every
where.

Hope people understand that this is engineer we are doing this to make
people happy so we have to pay from our time and sit down and study and to
all from a student to all these expert guys who is explaining the networks
I just learned one thing Practice practiced Practice and practice here they
mean the knowledge and the configs.

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On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Scott Morris <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
> What's wrong with the old guys?  ;)
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> On 7/2/12 7:59 AM, Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
> >> older the number, the more cautious I am of a candidate I'm
> interviewing...
> > Wiser words never spoken...
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Jay McMickle
> > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 7:16 AM
> > To: shekhar sharma
> > Cc: Cisco certification
> > Subject: Re: CCIE certification value.
> >
> > I've seen twice replies coming in, and would like to offer my opinion as
> well.
> >
> > As a Technical Lead, as well as a hiring manager, I interview quit a few
> candidates. Most are CCIE's, or nearing it.
> >
> > I would like to mention that a CCIE isn't the ends to all means. It may
> mean that they once were great, but have moves into a role that doesn't
> engage those skills.
> >
> > Not to irritate any others here, but I'm sure some will admit, the older
> the number, the more cautious I am of a candidate I'm interviewing. I
> interviewed a double IE with a 9xxx number, that had forgotten BGP backdoor
> and BGP local-as (to help transition BGP numbers in our case).
> >
> > A skill/cert is like your windshield wipers. Don't use them and after a
> period of time, they won't work either. ;)
> >
> > It's all about the skillset that the Engineer is fresh with. I once
> heard that you are never as good as you once were, right before your
> passing of your IE (quote Narbik).
> >
> > To be honest, I passed 2 months ago, and I can't recall all of the
> frame-relay and OSPF tricks I learned as I don't work with either in my
> environment (MPLS, BGP, and EIGRP).
> >
> > Stay fresh on your skills and never become complaicent.
> >
> > Happy labbing.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
> > Sent from iJay
> >
> > On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:27 AM, shekhar sharma <shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> First of all , before sharing anything , I want to say that I mean no
> >> offense to anybody or any certifications.
> >>
> >> Just want you people to share your  views on CCIE certification value.
> >>
> >> I am very upset with my experience with  3 CCIE certified candidates
> >>
> >> I was interviewing 3 CCIE candidates for my company requirement,
> >> although I am not a CCIE  ...am preparing for the LAB,just cleared the
> written.
> >>
> >> Out of three , two guys are CCIE(R&S) Lab certified and one is dual
> >> CCIE(R&S + Service Provider).
> >>
> >> The first candidate was average on theortical knowledge on various
> >> technologies that I didn't expect form a CCIE .But the main part is
> >> that he doesn't have any practical knowledge on the actual
> >> implementation in real world.
> >>
> >> The second candidate was below average on theortical knowledge ,not
> >> able to answer even few OSPF questions and forget about the practical
> >> part. He too was zero on it.
> >>
> >> Now the third candidate who is dual CCIE .He is working in Cisco. I
> >> was expecting a lot from him. He was good on the technical knowledge
> >> ...not as good as I expected......but again on the implementation part
> he was zero.
> >>
> >> Don't you guys think that Cisco certifications have  become a
> >> ediucation buisness.I could be wrong in saying that but... i think the
> >> trend has changed now ....and everyone is running for just
> >> certification not becoming actual IE.
> >>
> >> And this is affecting a lot the value of CCIE certification .....
> >>
> >> Again I mean no offense to anyone who is preparing for CCIE...I am too
> >> preparing for LAB ,,, and some of the  assumptions I have made could
> >> be wrong.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Shekhar
> >>
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