Re: VTP Server and Transparent

John,

This will be my last post on this thread, but the thing is you have
lectured 3 or 4 CCIE's about "making assumptions" in this thread, and it is
you who still doesn't seem to understand the nature of the original
question. To me the question boils down to this.

What constitutes "all vlans".

Does it mean

A. All possible VLANs? 1-4094
B. All possible VLANs that the switch currently supports based on VTP
status? 1-1005
C. All active VLANs

Your answer to do a show VLAN brief will lead him to answer C, which in my
mind will cause him to get 0 points on this question if it specified "All
VLANs"

I vote for answer A.

Now let me state another thing about "making assumptions" in the lab. There
will likely come a time on the lab when it doesn't appear they have given
you enough information to make a selection of multiple answers. In this
case two things are likely.

A. You don't understand the protocol well enough and there is subtle
information that you are missing.

B. That more than one solution is valid and since they didn't specify which
one you can use your discretion.

Now the thing about B, is that you have to have confidence in your
knowledge here. Otherwise you may waste time worrying about which answer to
select rather than confidently knowing which options are available to you
and just picking one. Sometimes you just have to make an assumption or you
will be paralyzed with fear in the lab.

-Marc

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:04 PM, john matijevic <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Jay,
>
> I am not making this a bigger issue than it is. This is very important
> to get a clear set of requirements on the question. To assume what the
> intent of the question is a big mistake and even more costly mistake
> in the real world. Don clarified after I asked him to, and was able to
> give him a logical explanation.
>
> I am here to help and learn and pass the exam is the goal of everyone
> on the list.
>
> If Don doesn't understand a particular part of technology, I am
> curious as to what his misunderstanding is, so that I can help and at
> the same time make sure that I understand what he is having trouble
> with.
>
>
> Regards,
> John
>
>
>
> On 6/24/12, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > John- you are making this a much bigger issue than it is. Don't question
> is
> > valid.
> >
> > No harm in setting all possible VLAN's as root, even when in server mode.
> > This will cover the requirement, in case you fail to read ahead and later
> > down in the lab there is an indirect requirement to put a switch into
> > transparent mode.
> >
> > Many of the various IE vendors have embedded this into us many, many
> times.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
> > Sent from iJay
> >
> > On Jun 24, 2012, at 12:15 PM, john matijevic <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Good afternoon Jay,
> >>
> >> I wouldnt take anything for ganted and assume nothing.
> >>
> >> What Don is asking is important for eveyone on this list, so that we
> >> can all try and learn and pass the exam. It's important to understand
> >> what is it that Don is lacking that asks him to post a question here
> >> on the forum. If the question is ambiguous, or if Don knows more about
> >> the scenerio due to diagrams and configurations, he may just have a
> >> specific piece that he is uncertain of, but has not given us all the
> >> full details of the scenerio he is working with.
> >>
> >> Weather its a spanning-tree or VTP task who knows? Without more detail
> >> information it be a mistake to assume anything.
> >>
> >> This is a dangerous mindset to have is to assume especially when it
> >> comes to not only the CCIE lab exam but real world networking, and
> >> working with customers/clients.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/24/12, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> This just covers you, no matter what the situation. All VLAN's means
> all
> >>> VLAN's, in any situation.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
> >>> Sent from iJay
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 24, 2012, at 12:02 PM, john matijevic <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Good Morning Jay,
> >>>>
> >>>> Please post on how you agree, also post where you got this question
> >>>> from?
> >>>> Also please be more specific on covers you if it moves to transparent.
> >>>>
> >>>> again vague, also please post diagram and configs.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is a vague question by Don, I apologize to Marc, the question is
> >>>> directed towards Don.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>> On 6/24/12, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> I agree: 1-4094. This always covers you if it moves to transparent.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
> >>>>> Sent from iJay
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 24, 2012, at 9:36 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I would choose 1-4094.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Don Rajaratne
> >>>>>> <don.rajaratne_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Guys,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> May be this is a silly one .. :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Its like this... Its a vtp server and client scenario. If the
> >>>>>>> question
> >>>>>>> says
> >>>>>>> the server has to be primary root for all the vlan what is the
> range
> >>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>> to choose? Is it 1-4094? or 1-1005?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I know only transparent mode supports up to 4094 and server mode
> >>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>> up
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> 1005. But, I have seen some workbooks have selected 1-4094 even
> >>>>>>> though
> >>>>>>> its
> >>>>>>> on server mode.Any harm by doing this??
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you all..
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Don
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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