Re: VTP Server and Transparent

Jay,

Thanks for correcting me on the frist part of my answer !!! So then
there are 3 CCIE's on the thread, but I still stand behind that I did
not in any way lecture 3 or 4 CCIE's I am simply trying to help
clarify and understand the
question Don was asking.

Regards,
John
On 6/24/12, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> Marc is a CCIE as well. He just fails to put it on his signature (humbly).
>
> Regards,
> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
> Sent from iJay
>
> On Jun 24, 2012, at 3:42 PM, john matijevic <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Marc,
>>
>> I disagree with your statement:
>> "
>>> This will be my last post on this thread, but the thing is you have
>>> lectured 3 or 4 CCIE's about "making assumptions" in this thread,"
>>
>> there are only 2 CCIE that I am aware on this thread, Jay, and
>> Narbik, I was also a CCIE but expired. I did not in any way lecture 3
>> or 4 CCIE's I am simply trying to help clarify and understand the
>> question Don was asking.
>>
>> I disagree with your statement:
>>
>> "
>>> This will be my last post on this thread, but the thing is you have
>>> lectured 3 or 4 CCIE's about "making assumptions" in this thread, and it
>>> is
>>> you who still doesn't seem to understand the nature of the original
>>> question."
>> "
>> I am here to help and the question was ambiguous period!
>> Don clarified and the answer was given, if that helps Don or not
>> better understand the technologies, I don't know, but I provided
>> reference material and configuration so hopefully he can lab up and
>> test.
>>
>> I also disagree with the following statement:
>> "
>> Now let me state another thing about "making assumptions" in the lab.
>> There
>>> will likely come a time on the lab when it doesn't appear they have
>>> given
>>> you enough information to make a selection of multiple answers.
>>
>> "
>>
>> The CCIE exam if you understand the technologies well enough there's
>> enough information to configure whats being asked to you. If you don't
>> know how to configure a particular topic or understand a question that
>> is given to you, perhaps you did not spend enough time mastering the
>> technology.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> John
>>
>>
>> On 6/24/12, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>> John,
>>>
>>> This will be my last post on this thread, but the thing is you have
>>> lectured 3 or 4 CCIE's about "making assumptions" in this thread, and it
>>> is
>>> you who still doesn't seem to understand the nature of the original
>>> question. To me the question boils down to this.
>>>
>>> What constitutes "all vlans".
>>>
>>> Does it mean
>>>
>>> A. All possible VLANs? 1-4094
>>> B. All possible VLANs that the switch currently supports based on VTP
>>> status? 1-1005
>>> C. All active VLANs
>>>
>>> Your answer to do a show VLAN brief will lead him to answer C, which in
>>> my
>>> mind will cause him to get 0 points on this question if it specified
>>> "All
>>> VLANs"
>>>
>>> I vote for answer A.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now let me state another thing about "making assumptions" in the lab.
>>> There
>>> will likely come a time on the lab when it doesn't appear they have
>>> given
>>> you enough information to make a selection of multiple answers. In this
>>> case two things are likely.
>>>
>>> A. You don't understand the protocol well enough and there is subtle
>>> information that you are missing.
>>>
>>> B. That more than one solution is valid and since they didn't specify
>>> which
>>> one you can use your discretion.
>>>
>>> Now the thing about B, is that you have to have confidence in your
>>> knowledge here. Otherwise you may waste time worrying about which answer
>>> to
>>> select rather than confidently knowing which options are available to
>>> you
>>> and just picking one. Sometimes you just have to make an assumption or
>>> you
>>> will be paralyzed with fear in the lab.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Marc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:04 PM, john matijevic
>>> <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jay,
>>>>
>>>> I am not making this a bigger issue than it is. This is very important
>>>> to get a clear set of requirements on the question. To assume what the
>>>> intent of the question is a big mistake and even more costly mistake
>>>> in the real world. Don clarified after I asked him to, and was able to
>>>> give him a logical explanation.
>>>>
>>>> I am here to help and learn and pass the exam is the goal of everyone
>>>> on the list.
>>>>
>>>> If Don doesn't understand a particular part of technology, I am
>>>> curious as to what his misunderstanding is, so that I can help and at
>>>> the same time make sure that I understand what he is having trouble
>>>> with.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/24/12, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> John- you are making this a much bigger issue than it is. Don't
>>>>> question
>>>> is
>>>>> valid.
>>>>>
>>>>> No harm in setting all possible VLAN's as root, even when in server
>>>>> mode.
>>>>> This will cover the requirement, in case you fail to read ahead and
>>>>> later
>>>>> down in the lab there is an indirect requirement to put a switch into
>>>>> transparent mode.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many of the various IE vendors have embedded this into us many, many
>>>> times.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
>>>>> Sent from iJay
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 24, 2012, at 12:15 PM, john matijevic
>>>>> <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good afternoon Jay,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wouldnt take anything for ganted and assume nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What Don is asking is important for eveyone on this list, so that we
>>>>>> can all try and learn and pass the exam. It's important to understand
>>>>>> what is it that Don is lacking that asks him to post a question here
>>>>>> on the forum. If the question is ambiguous, or if Don knows more
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> the scenerio due to diagrams and configurations, he may just have a
>>>>>> specific piece that he is uncertain of, but has not given us all the
>>>>>> full details of the scenerio he is working with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Weather its a spanning-tree or VTP task who knows? Without more
>>>>>> detail
>>>>>> information it be a mistake to assume anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a dangerous mindset to have is to assume especially when it
>>>>>> comes to not only the CCIE lab exam but real world networking, and
>>>>>> working with customers/clients.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/24/12, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> This just covers you, no matter what the situation. All VLAN's means
>>>> all
>>>>>>> VLAN's, in any situation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
>>>>>>> Sent from iJay
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2012, at 12:02 PM, john matijevic
>>>>>>> <john.matijevic_at_gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good Morning Jay,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please post on how you agree, also post where you got this question
>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>> Also please be more specific on covers you if it moves to
>>>>>>>> transparent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> again vague, also please post diagram and configs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is a vague question by Don, I apologize to Marc, the question
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> directed towards Don.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/24/12, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I agree: 1-4094. This always covers you if it moves to
>>>>>>>>> transparent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
>>>>>>>>> Sent from iJay
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2012, at 9:36 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would choose 1-4094.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Don Rajaratne
>>>>>>>>>> <don.rajaratne_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> May be this is a silly one .. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Its like this... Its a vtp server and client scenario. If the
>>>>>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>>>>> the server has to be primary root for all the vlan what is the
>>>> range
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> to choose? Is it 1-4094? or 1-1005?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I know only transparent mode supports up to 4094 and server mode
>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> 1005. But, I have seen some workbooks have selected 1-4094 even
>>>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>> on server mode.Any harm by doing this??
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you all..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> (Routing and Switching)
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