Re: OT: is this true? I am worried about studying for CCIE R&S

Eventually Cisco or Microsoft will buy that company, and will add to their
exam cycle. :)

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 4:53 PM, MSDP multicast <multicast100_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> I appreciate everyone's comments here.
>
> Thanks Mark for clearing this up for me.
> I am going to pause my CCIE journey for a while , at least for the next 6
> months and then will see where the crowd is going.
>
> I guess, Mark's view is pretty much what we're seeing.
>
>
> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Mark Snow <msnow_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I love GoT. Epic series
> >
> > And while I've been called all sorts of names, I do know and still talk
> to
> > my father.
> > Hahaha :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Mark Snow, CCIE #14073
> > (Voice, Security)
> > Instructor
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > INE.com
> >
> > - docendo discitur
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 27, 2012, at 13:34, "marco207p_at_gmail.com" <marco207p_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Mark Snow... Ever watch game of thrones?... Anywho, I work for a very
> > large ISP and we don't even have physical phones that work on your desk
> > without your laptop plugged in..
> > >
> > > As time goes by, the industry will adapt to every piece of technology
> > based on demand. If its not STP getting tackled, and replaced with
> TRILL,
> > or traditional IO running on software/hardware being replaced by Virtual
> > instances then it will be something else. I keep an open mind and say if
> > someone developed the technology " learn it" you never know when you
> might
> > be able to use that technology in the future.
> > >
> > > Low latency, is the world today... If I can send a packet from London
> to
> > NY or Chgo in 69ms we are getting closer, but we still have physics to
> deal
> > with. Jm2c...
> > >
> > > Joe Sanchez
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > On May 27, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Mark Snow <msnow_at_ine.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thought I'd chime in here, not to takes sides or say anyone is
> > particularly right or wrong - but to maybe offer a bit of perspective.
> > >>
> > >> I teach UC. Have since 2003 and taught the CCIE Voice exam since early
> > 2005. I've used an IP phone maybe all of 6 months aggregate during the
> last
> > 7 years. And sure, I travel a lot, but I've also sat in a cubicle/office
> a
> > lot during that time, too. I don't have a home phone and I don't pickup
> too
> > many things to communicate that cannot be quickly and easily transported
> > with me anywhere and everywhere I go.
> > >>
> > >> Cisco knows this all too well. You probably won't find too many
> > published whitepapers from them on the topic - but even they have been
> > predicting the demise of the handset for many years now as well. Not the
> > demise of the UCM, but the traditional handset is going the way of the
> > elevator operator. Not today, or tomorrow, but in 10 years the landscape
> > will be a very different one. The fact that it's not called "CallManager"
> > anymore wasn't just incidental or a marketing push - rather a very
> > strategic one. Cisco knows that the industry is very much demanding to
> > communicate 'with anyone, from anything, and from anywhere'. Not just
> from
> > IP Phones and Cisco Cius tablets (may they rest in peace). It is very
> much
> > the impetus behind the BYOD initiative. So the focus isn't nearly as much
> > on handsets as it is on true unified communications and all that goes
> with
> > that (presence, video, soft clients in all forms, SDK integration from
> > every platform - twitter, FB, email, IM, RSS, etc). But!
> > >> while I should be able to communicate with anyone from anywhere- if it
> > is business related, they should be able to account for that centrally,
> and
> > in many countries and industries - regulate for that centrally as well.
> > >>
> > >> While the certifications take a while to update (and we're all hoping
> > for an update to the CCIE Voice being announced here in a few weeks at
> CLUS
> > to reflect the current marketplace), they are still very relevant. SIP
> > isn't going anywhere. In fact it's future is brighter than ever. It just
> > won't be a desk phone that triggers that call in 2020. So be it. People
> > will still communicate, and a certification in UC will still be very
> > valuable.
> > >>
> > >> I do also tend to think that what others have said that the network
> > (and UC) engineer of the future will also have experience with app-dev
> > skills, are dead on in their analysis (again- net engineer of the
> future).
> > I see this more and more in the industry, especially in UC. If you can't
> > program some basic scripting languages such as Perl/Python, PHP, Lua,
> > TCL/Tk/Expect, (at the very least RegEx and SED or equivalent), then I
> > would highly recommend some beginning courses (see w3schools.org or
> > lynda.com). You may or may not need them today. But IMHO you will need
> > them or at least the same foundational programming/scripting knowledge
> over
> > the next 10 years or longer. I realize that not everyone will (or has)
> > agree(d) with this over the course of this thread. That being said, ask
> > yourself (be honest with your answer to yourself - not the group) how
> many
> > quick little problems you ma have been able to solve over your career
> with
> > a simple small script.
> > >>
> > >> Again, this thread started out and largely is still talking about the
> > role of the future engineer, not necessarily the exact current situation.
> > Also keep in mind when contemplating people's opinions stated here or
> > responding to anyone, that people are here from all over the world and
> > offer a truly global perspective- and consider that the situation where
> you
> > work (your specific company the country you work in) may be quite
> different.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> /offsoapbox
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Kind Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Mark Snow, CCIE #14073
> > >> (Voice, Security)
> > >> Instructor
> > >> INE.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On May 26, 2012, at 16:11, Lindsay Hill <lindsay.k.hill_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> "You don't give cells phone to your cube workers"
> > >>>
> > >>> Actually, I see this all the time. My current role is in consulting,
> > and I see
> > >>> a lot of different businesses. Specific functions such as call
> centres
> > may not
> > >>> be issued mobiles, but every other person within those businesses
> has a
> > >>> mobile. Even though most staff sit in the same place every day, they
> > use
> > >>> mobile phones. Standard calling plans offer free calling within a
> > business
> > >>> group, or maybe effectively unlimited calling, so why bother with a
> > desk
> > >>> phone?
> > >>>
> > >>> As for signal issues - are you based in the States? The USA has a
> very
> > >>> different telco industry, for various historical reasons. What goes
> on
> > there
> > >>> does not really reflect the rest of the world at all. This is part of
> > what
> > >>> Greg is getting at. You're right that Greg has his own agenda - but
> > then we
> > >>> all do.
> > >>>
> > >>> On 26/05/2012, at 11:10 PM, Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Cell is only viable for mobile workers. You don't give cells phone
> to
> > your
> > >>> cube workers... That article was so off base and bias. Then you have
> > signal
> > >>> issues which no one ever thinks about. My cell barely works at my
> desk.
> > >>> Ethereal has an agenda and always writes to that agenda.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Saturday, May 26, 2012, Mohammed Naviwala wrote:
> > >>>> hi
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That article was written 2 years back and we still dont see that
> > happening.
> > >>> keep studying guys.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Lindsay Hill <
> > lindsay.k.hill_at_gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>> For many people, mobiles already have replaced VoIP systems.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I do not have a desk phone now, nor do I expect to ever have one
> > during the
> > >>>> rest of my career. If I ever do get issued one once again, I will
> > find it
> > >>>> somewhat quaint, and it will probably just sit on my desk gathering
> > dust,
> > >>>> probably not even plugged in.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There are some parts of the world where, for economic or cultural
> > reasons,
> > >>>> deskphones will hang on, but there are also large parts of the world
> > where
> > >>> the
> > >>>> economics don't stack up.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> See this:
> http://etherealmind.com/ip-telephony-over-no-cisco-voice/for
> > >>> some
> > >>>> more on it. For those who say "But there's plenty of demand here for
> > Voice
> > >>>> engineers!" - check the comments too. Certain places will retain
> > demand,
> > >>> but
> > >>>> the long term outlook for it is not great.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Back to the R&S angle, I think the point is that you need to be
> aware
> > of
> > >>>> industry trends. No, OpenFlow won't change everything overnight. But
> > the
> > >>> point
> > >>>> is, networking will probably change dramatically over the next 10
> > years,
> > >>> and
> > >>>> if you plan on staying in this industry for another 20-30 years, you
> > need
> > >>> to
> > >>>> stay on top of those changes. In many ways networking was pretty
> > static for
> > >>>> the last decade, but now there's a whole heap of pressures forcing
> > change.
> > >>> You
> > >>>> need to both look at the long term direction of your career - e.g.
> do
> > I
> > >>> study
> > >>>> CCIE R&S, or move towards application development - and the
> > short-medium
> > >>> term,
> > >>>> where you read enormous amounts, and stay on top of changes, so you
> > don't
> > >>> want
> > >>>> to get left behind.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sometimes I meet engineers who have gotten painted into a corner,
> > where
> > >>> they
> > >>>> know something really well, but they've gotten stuck, and the pool
> of
> > >>>> potential employers is rapidly shrinking. OK, maybe they've got a
> > good job
> > >>>> now, but what happens if they have a falling-out with their
> employer?
> > Not
> > >>> many
> > >>>> options.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Times change. But good engineers will adapt with those changes.
> Find a
> > >>> field
> > >>>> that interests you, learn all you can, but keep your eyes open to
> > change.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> - Lindsay
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 26/05/2012, at 4:49 AM, Dark Fiber wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Remember when cell's phones were going to take the place of voip
> > >>>>> systems?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks and Regards
> > >>>> Mohammed Naviwala
> > >>>
> > >>>
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