Re: OT: is this true? I am worried about studying for CCIE R&S

I appreciate everyone's comments here.

Thanks Mark for clearing this up for me.
I am going to pause my CCIE journey for a while , at least for the next 6
months and then will see where the crowd is going.

I guess, Mark's view is pretty much what we're seeing.

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Mark Snow <msnow_at_ine.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I love GoT. Epic series
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> And while I've been called all sorts of names, I do know and still talk to
> my father.
> Hahaha :)
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> Kind Regards,
>
> Mark Snow, CCIE #14073
> (Voice, Security)
> Instructor
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> INE.com
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> On May 27, 2012, at 13:34, "marco207p_at_gmail.com" <marco207p_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Mark Snow... Ever watch game of thrones?... Anywho, I work for a very
> large ISP and we don't even have physical phones that work on your desk
> without your laptop plugged in..
> >
> > As time goes by, the industry will adapt to every piece of technology
> based on demand. If its not STP getting tackled, and replaced with TRILL,
> or traditional IO running on software/hardware being replaced by Virtual
> instances then it will be something else. I keep an open mind and say if
> someone developed the technology " learn it" you never know when you might
> be able to use that technology in the future.
> >
> > Low latency, is the world today... If I can send a packet from London to
> NY or Chgo in 69ms we are getting closer, but we still have physics to deal
> with. Jm2c...
> >
> > Joe Sanchez
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On May 27, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Mark Snow <msnow_at_ine.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thought I'd chime in here, not to takes sides or say anyone is
> particularly right or wrong - but to maybe offer a bit of perspective.
> >>
> >> I teach UC. Have since 2003 and taught the CCIE Voice exam since early
> 2005. I've used an IP phone maybe all of 6 months aggregate during the last
> 7 years. And sure, I travel a lot, but I've also sat in a cubicle/office a
> lot during that time, too. I don't have a home phone and I don't pickup too
> many things to communicate that cannot be quickly and easily transported
> with me anywhere and everywhere I go.
> >>
> >> Cisco knows this all too well. You probably won't find too many
> published whitepapers from them on the topic - but even they have been
> predicting the demise of the handset for many years now as well. Not the
> demise of the UCM, but the traditional handset is going the way of the
> elevator operator. Not today, or tomorrow, but in 10 years the landscape
> will be a very different one. The fact that it's not called "CallManager"
> anymore wasn't just incidental or a marketing push - rather a very
> strategic one. Cisco knows that the industry is very much demanding to
> communicate 'with anyone, from anything, and from anywhere'. Not just from
> IP Phones and Cisco Cius tablets (may they rest in peace). It is very much
> the impetus behind the BYOD initiative. So the focus isn't nearly as much
> on handsets as it is on true unified communications and all that goes with
> that (presence, video, soft clients in all forms, SDK integration from
> every platform - twitter, FB, email, IM, RSS, etc). But!
> >> while I should be able to communicate with anyone from anywhere- if it
> is business related, they should be able to account for that centrally, and
> in many countries and industries - regulate for that centrally as well.
> >>
> >> While the certifications take a while to update (and we're all hoping
> for an update to the CCIE Voice being announced here in a few weeks at CLUS
> to reflect the current marketplace), they are still very relevant. SIP
> isn't going anywhere. In fact it's future is brighter than ever. It just
> won't be a desk phone that triggers that call in 2020. So be it. People
> will still communicate, and a certification in UC will still be very
> valuable.
> >>
> >> I do also tend to think that what others have said that the network
> (and UC) engineer of the future will also have experience with app-dev
> skills, are dead on in their analysis (again- net engineer of the future).
> I see this more and more in the industry, especially in UC. If you can't
> program some basic scripting languages such as Perl/Python, PHP, Lua,
> TCL/Tk/Expect, (at the very least RegEx and SED or equivalent), then I
> would highly recommend some beginning courses (see w3schools.org or
> lynda.com). You may or may not need them today. But IMHO you will need
> them or at least the same foundational programming/scripting knowledge over
> the next 10 years or longer. I realize that not everyone will (or has)
> agree(d) with this over the course of this thread. That being said, ask
> yourself (be honest with your answer to yourself - not the group) how many
> quick little problems you ma have been able to solve over your career with
> a simple small script.
> >>
> >> Again, this thread started out and largely is still talking about the
> role of the future engineer, not necessarily the exact current situation.
> Also keep in mind when contemplating people's opinions stated here or
> responding to anyone, that people are here from all over the world and
> offer a truly global perspective- and consider that the situation where you
> work (your specific company the country you work in) may be quite different.
> >>
> >>
> >> /offsoapbox
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind Regards,
> >>
> >> Mark Snow, CCIE #14073
> >> (Voice, Security)
> >> Instructor
> >> INE.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 26, 2012, at 16:11, Lindsay Hill <lindsay.k.hill_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> "You don't give cells phone to your cube workers"
> >>>
> >>> Actually, I see this all the time. My current role is in consulting,
> and I see
> >>> a lot of different businesses. Specific functions such as call centres
> may not
> >>> be issued mobiles, but every other person within those businesses has a
> >>> mobile. Even though most staff sit in the same place every day, they
> use
> >>> mobile phones. Standard calling plans offer free calling within a
> business
> >>> group, or maybe effectively unlimited calling, so why bother with a
> desk
> >>> phone?
> >>>
> >>> As for signal issues - are you based in the States? The USA has a very
> >>> different telco industry, for various historical reasons. What goes on
> there
> >>> does not really reflect the rest of the world at all. This is part of
> what
> >>> Greg is getting at. You're right that Greg has his own agenda - but
> then we
> >>> all do.
> >>>
> >>> On 26/05/2012, at 11:10 PM, Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Cell is only viable for mobile workers. You don't give cells phone to
> your
> >>> cube workers... That article was so off base and bias. Then you have
> signal
> >>> issues which no one ever thinks about. My cell barely works at my desk.
> >>> Ethereal has an agenda and always writes to that agenda.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Saturday, May 26, 2012, Mohammed Naviwala wrote:
> >>>> hi
> >>>>
> >>>> That article was written 2 years back and we still dont see that
> happening.
> >>> keep studying guys.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Lindsay Hill <
> lindsay.k.hill_at_gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> For many people, mobiles already have replaced VoIP systems.
> >>>>
> >>>> I do not have a desk phone now, nor do I expect to ever have one
> during the
> >>>> rest of my career. If I ever do get issued one once again, I will
> find it
> >>>> somewhat quaint, and it will probably just sit on my desk gathering
> dust,
> >>>> probably not even plugged in.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are some parts of the world where, for economic or cultural
> reasons,
> >>>> deskphones will hang on, but there are also large parts of the world
> where
> >>> the
> >>>> economics don't stack up.
> >>>>
> >>>> See this: http://etherealmind.com/ip-telephony-over-no-cisco-voice/for
> >>> some
> >>>> more on it. For those who say "But there's plenty of demand here for
> Voice
> >>>> engineers!" - check the comments too. Certain places will retain
> demand,
> >>> but
> >>>> the long term outlook for it is not great.
> >>>>
> >>>> Back to the R&S angle, I think the point is that you need to be aware
> of
> >>>> industry trends. No, OpenFlow won't change everything overnight. But
> the
> >>> point
> >>>> is, networking will probably change dramatically over the next 10
> years,
> >>> and
> >>>> if you plan on staying in this industry for another 20-30 years, you
> need
> >>> to
> >>>> stay on top of those changes. In many ways networking was pretty
> static for
> >>>> the last decade, but now there's a whole heap of pressures forcing
> change.
> >>> You
> >>>> need to both look at the long term direction of your career - e.g. do
> I
> >>> study
> >>>> CCIE R&S, or move towards application development - and the
> short-medium
> >>> term,
> >>>> where you read enormous amounts, and stay on top of changes, so you
> don't
> >>> want
> >>>> to get left behind.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sometimes I meet engineers who have gotten painted into a corner,
> where
> >>> they
> >>>> know something really well, but they've gotten stuck, and the pool of
> >>>> potential employers is rapidly shrinking. OK, maybe they've got a
> good job
> >>>> now, but what happens if they have a falling-out with their employer?
> Not
> >>> many
> >>>> options.
> >>>>
> >>>> Times change. But good engineers will adapt with those changes. Find a
> >>> field
> >>>> that interests you, learn all you can, but keep your eyes open to
> change.
> >>>>
> >>>> - Lindsay
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 26/05/2012, at 4:49 AM, Dark Fiber wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Remember when cell's phones were going to take the place of voip
> >>>>> systems?
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>> Thanks and Regards
> >>>> Mohammed Naviwala
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