Re: OT - Re: Cloud vs The Internet Versus History

All right, let's rephrase this....

We have built a tiny cloud. It's cute. Single legged. From the Internet
thru to the SAN. It's just our POC but it's looking good. Due to time
constraints we are already moving on to our full blown cloud. However,
my biggest concern is management/provisioning and monitoring.

Management/provisioning: OS in North (services) will be handled via a
multitude of HP tools. But on the South side of the Hypervisor, we're
having trouble finding options (across vendor platforms) to provision
VLANs, IPs, etc.

Monitoring: This is a change in culture. We have to monitor an "app" to
help the LOB know when their code is fubar but we also need to monitor
the "infrastructure".

Any comments from anyone would be appreciated.

-Hammer-

"I was a normal American nerd"
-Jack Herer

On 3/12/2012 8:32 AM, Radioactive Frog wrote:
> Haha.. network layer - nexus100v is the Donat king at this stage and I
> have only tested it with VMware cloud director.
> VMware distributed switch is very limited.
>
> not sure about how Xen is progressing - Citrix has distributed switch
> controller that orchestrates NW virtulization but hey' it's not "FREE"
> either. I have not checked the performance though.
>
>
> HTH
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:13 AM, -Hammer- <bhmccie_at_gmail.com
> <mailto:bhmccie_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> All of these seem to be targeted at the OS/VM/Hypervisor layer and
> North with regards to provisioning. Does anyone have some
> recommendations for the network layer. For management and
> monitoring? Or does each implementation end up with its own APIs?
>
> -Hammer-
>
> "I was a normal American nerd"
> -Jack Herer
>
>
>
> On 3/12/2012 8:08 AM, Radioactive Frog wrote:
>> I'd never run these in production. Got caught up once with
>> cloudstack and end up with deleating the whole datastore!
>> Luckily, it was my T&D environment and didn't loose any data.
>> It turned out to be a bug.
>>
>> I love opensource but only run them in production environment
>> once they gets very very stable. Like Qmail/httpd - u can run
>> those codes without a second thought.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Marcelo Pinheiro
>> <marcelo_at_academiacisco.com.br
>> <mailto:marcelo_at_academiacisco.com.br>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gs,
>>
>> I would like to suggest some automation/orchestrarion tools
>> - opencloud
>> - cloudstack
>> - eucalyptus
>>
>> Rgs,
>> Marcelo Pinheiro
>>
>> Em quarta-feira, 7 de margo de 2012,
>> -Hammer-<bhmccie_at_gmail.com <mailto:bhmccie_at_gmail.com>> escreveu:
>> > Similar.
>> >
>> > We had a datacenter consolidation project. P2V and whatnot.
>> Couldn't get
>> funding. We presented the same project as a private cloud.
>> Leadership is
>> loving it.
>> >
>> > -Hammer-
>> >
>> > "I was a normal American nerd"
>> > -Jack Herer
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/7/2012 10:24 AM, ALL From_NJ wrote:
>> >
>> > A friend of mine had his management team reject his design
>> proposal. He
>> > had "Data Centers" listed throughout ..., he was not considered
>> > forward-thinking enough.
>> >
>> > He renamed the DCs to Private Cloud, and everyone loved it.
>> He is now the
>> > 'cloud expert' ...
>> >
>> > Lol
>> >
>> > Andrew Lissitz
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Radioactive
>> Frog<pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com <mailto:pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> > Yeah Ronnie, worked with automation tool that VMware
>> provides (redwood, if
>> > u know this codeword, now people calling it director). end
>> of the day they
>> > all hook off the vcenter.
>> > Therefore, still part of virtulization, just extra layer of
>> management
>> that
>> > gives end usr VI like client feature to create and manage
>> their own VM.
>> >
>> > There are new toolkit coming up for these automations. We
>> demonstrated
>> > intra-cloud connectivity in VMworld 2011 and moved VM from
>> one Cloud
>> > provider to another one.
>> > Technically, that is still underlying network and virtulization
>> technology.
>> > Whatever you want to call it.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Ronnie
>> Angello<ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com
>> <mailto:ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> > Vblock / Flexpod alone doesn't necessarily mean cloud...
>> Neither does
>> > virtualization. You done anything with
>> automation/orchestration yet?
>> >
>> > Self
>> >
>> > service? That's cool stuff!
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> > On Mar 7, 2012, at 12:06 AM, Radioactive
>> Frog<pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com <mailto:pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>>
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Having deployed first v-block in the region, I can tell you
>> the truth
>> >
>> > about
>> >
>> > cloud computing!
>> >
>> > In a nutshell, cloud computing just the marketing/sales
>> bluff. It was
>> >
>> > there
>> >
>> > years ago, HP did it on superdom.
>> > Virtulization technology made the use of the general
>> purpose hardware
>> >
>> > to
>> >
>> > be
>> >
>> > capable and scale up architect.
>> >
>> > Whats new here?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 5:43 AM,
>> Bill6521<bil6521_at_netscape.net <mailto:bil6521_at_netscape.net>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > So guys we think we are moving the boundaries of technology
>> - Read
>> >
>> > the
>> >
>> > March
>> > edition of the Flyer guys
>> >
>> > Whats The Difference Between the Cloud and the Internet ?
>> > We all know what the Cloud and the Internet are but can the
>> Cloud
>> >
>> > truly
>> >
>> > function in an international environment without the
>> Internet. The
>> >
>> > Internet
>> >
>> > also provides services like the Cloud but not on the same
>> scale but is
>> >
>> > it
>> >
>> > feasible it can do in the future or will the Internet
>> always be a
>> >
>> > transport
>>
>>
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