Re: PhD vs CCIE

Frog,

I'm not knocking it... but it's not for everybody. To each is his own.
My point was that everyone is different, so why try to give one man advice
on what he should do with his career.

I spent 5-6 years in college/university... I got an AAS degree in Network
Operations between two stints at a local university. I was working on a BS
and changed my major when I got into networking. I honestly learned more
by working as a network engineer full time and reading my Cisco Press
books/knocking out exams. Honestly the only thing that I charish about
those 5 years was playing on the tennis team!

There are guys that are putting their heart and soul into passing the CCIE
lab. Let's help them with that instead of digging up this age-old
discussion again.
Ronnie
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Ronnie,
> Dont' get me wrong here but never underestimate the power of university.
> On masters degree level, they teach you logic rather than 'how to
> configure a ATM/MPLS".
>
> I think, degree should be good enough to get a solid foundation. Not sure
> about other part of the word but in Australia, the universities have gone
> advanced and are aligning themselves with the latest market trends.
>
> I will give you a few example:
> Way back when I did my masters degree -the university gave us a few
> questions and they were related to somethign like "how does the AES/DES and
> 3DES algorithm works". How these algorithm scrambles the data to make
> things secure.
> If you learn those theories, you'd have no issue with configuring it. one
> would straight away know - oh padding , salt or pfs is missing in the
> config, oh it's asymmetric encryption shoudl be configured in a different
> way. They have the big picture in mind... and to figure out it doesn't take
> longer.
> I hope u get the point here...
>
> I just saw an advert from one of the university re how to get the
> government "Security clearance" to enhance career.
> Honestly, this is unheard of that some universities are organizing a
> seminar on this.
>
> As Bill said before - Employer are now demanding Bsc/MS degree. There is a
> reason. You will never see any advert from Google or any other bigger
> player for asking diploma person. No offense here but that is what it is.
> Google folks tends to think that they can train the brain the way they
> want. A college joined them and he had 8 years of experience. Google folks
> said, forget about what you learned so far, erase your memory and here is a
> list that we need you to program your brain for.
> this is kind of putting the square pigs in the squire holes.
> Looks like they might have done en some research and then might have come
> up with these ideas. "We need you to be this".
> More productivity? less time to get candidate up and running? there must
> be something that they are asking for university level candidate.
>
> My concept is different, If i was a employer, I'd probably check a few
> things - a) if a person can do the job, b) have good attitude c) good
> communicator
> I'd not even bother checking the basic high school certificate.
>
> My 0.2 cents
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Ronnie Angello <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I believe that you can do the same thing here in the US, but still I have
>> no desire to. I chose to spend my free time with my family and studying
>> for Cisco certs, and (with experience) it has gotten me to where I am
>> today. I respect what you've done, but it's just not me...
>>
>> I'm just saying that everyone is different, so no need to continue on with
>> this never ending topic that's irrelevant to CCIE lab preparation. If you
>> want CCIE, then go for it! This list exists to help you with that. If
>> you
>> want a degree, then go for it! I cannot help you with that...
>>
>> BTW I have never been denied a job opportunity because I didn't have a BS,
>> let alone a MS or PhD. I switched jobs twice in this down economy.
>> Again,
>> everyone is different and it depends on what you're looking for I guess.
>>
>> Ronnie
>> On Mar 6, 2012 7:48 AM, "Bill6521" <bil6521_at_netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Just had a little chat about this with Ronnie. I think this is where the
>> > UK/European degree system is slightly better than the USA one - cost
>> wise.
>> > We
>> > can do BSc, MSc, PhD by part time / evening and many other ways and one
>> of
>> > our
>> > best universities is the Open University where you can do the course by
>> > correspondence and/or attend modules. You dont have to sit in a class
>> all
>> > day.
>> >
>> > Where I find a degree/masters/PhD comes in handy is in times like now -
>> ie
>> > a
>> > recession. Employers tend to raise the goalposts qualifications wise for
>> > jobs
>> > and whereas two years ago - pre-recession they would have accepted a
>> > diploma
>> > with a CCIE now they want a BSc or MSc with a CCIE.
>> >
>> >
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