Re: PhD vs CCIE

"Hey you, Mr PDH, get me a coffee while I install these routers. Thanks"

lol
Kindest regards,
Andrew Lissitz

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On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Ronnie,
> Dont' get me wrong here but never underestimate the power of university.
> On masters degree level, they teach you logic rather than 'how to configure
> a ATM/MPLS".
>
> I think, degree should be good enough to get a solid foundation. Not sure
> about other part of the word but in Australia, the universities have gone
> advanced and are aligning themselves with the latest market trends.
>
> I will give you a few example:
> Way back when I did my masters degree -the university gave us a few
> questions and they were related to somethign like "how does the AES/DES and
> 3DES algorithm works". How these algorithm scrambles the data to make
> things secure.
> If you learn those theories, you'd have no issue with configuring it. one
> would straight away know - oh padding , salt or pfs is missing in the
> config, oh it's asymmetric encryption shoudl be configured in a different
> way. They have the big picture in mind... and to figure out it doesn't take
> longer.
> I hope u get the point here...
>
> I just saw an advert from one of the university re how to get the
> government "Security clearance" to enhance career.
> Honestly, this is unheard of that some universities are organizing a
> seminar on this.
>
> As Bill said before - Employer are now demanding Bsc/MS degree. There is a
> reason. You will never see any advert from Google or any other bigger
> player for asking diploma person. No offense here but that is what it is.
> Google folks tends to think that they can train the brain the way they
> want. A college joined them and he had 8 years of experience. Google folks
> said, forget about what you learned so far, erase your memory and here is a
> list that we need you to program your brain for.
> this is kind of putting the square pigs in the squire holes.
> Looks like they might have done en some research and then might have come
> up with these ideas. "We need you to be this".
> More productivity? less time to get candidate up and running? there must be
> something that they are asking for university level candidate.
>
> My concept is different, If i was a employer, I'd probably check a few
> things - a) if a person can do the job, b) have good attitude c) good
> communicator
> I'd not even bother checking the basic high school certificate.
>
> My 0.2 cents
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Ronnie Angello <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I believe that you can do the same thing here in the US, but still I have
> > no desire to. I chose to spend my free time with my family and studying
> > for Cisco certs, and (with experience) it has gotten me to where I am
> > today. I respect what you've done, but it's just not me...
> >
> > I'm just saying that everyone is different, so no need to continue on
> with
> > this never ending topic that's irrelevant to CCIE lab preparation. If
> you
> > want CCIE, then go for it! This list exists to help you with that. If
> you
> > want a degree, then go for it! I cannot help you with that...
> >
> > BTW I have never been denied a job opportunity because I didn't have a
> BS,
> > let alone a MS or PhD. I switched jobs twice in this down economy.
> Again,
> > everyone is different and it depends on what you're looking for I guess.
> >
> > Ronnie
> > On Mar 6, 2012 7:48 AM, "Bill6521" <bil6521_at_netscape.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Just had a little chat about this with Ronnie. I think this is where
> the
> > > UK/European degree system is slightly better than the USA one - cost
> > wise.
> > > We
> > > can do BSc, MSc, PhD by part time / evening and many other ways and one
> > of
> > > our
> > > best universities is the Open University where you can do the course by
> > > correspondence and/or attend modules. You dont have to sit in a class
> all
> > > day.
> > >
> > > Where I find a degree/masters/PhD comes in handy is in times like now -
> > ie
> > > a
> > > recession. Employers tend to raise the goalposts qualifications wise
> for
> > > jobs
> > > and whereas two years ago - pre-recession they would have accepted a
> > > diploma
> > > with a CCIE now they want a BSc or MSc with a CCIE.
> > >
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