RE: PhD vs CCIE

>Google folks said, forget about what you learned so far, erase your memory and here is a list that we need you to program your brain for.

Google doesn't pay enough for anyone to "program their brain"...

Or for anyone who is a CCIE to get out of bed in the morning...

Stop having delusions of grandeur about working for them...

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From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Radioactive Frog
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:30 AM
To: Ronnie Angello
Cc: Bill6521; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: PhD vs CCIE

Ronnie,
Dont' get me wrong here but never underestimate the power of university.
On masters degree level, they teach you logic rather than 'how to configure a ATM/MPLS".

I think, degree should be good enough to get a solid foundation. Not sure about other part of the word but in Australia, the universities have gone advanced and are aligning themselves with the latest market trends.

I will give you a few example:
Way back when I did my masters degree -the university gave us a few questions and they were related to somethign like "how does the AES/DES and 3DES algorithm works". How these algorithm scrambles the data to make things secure.
If you learn those theories, you'd have no issue with configuring it. one would straight away know - oh padding , salt or pfs is missing in the config, oh it's asymmetric encryption shoudl be configured in a different way. They have the big picture in mind... and to figure out it doesn't take longer.
I hope u get the point here...

I just saw an advert from one of the university re how to get the government "Security clearance" to enhance career.
Honestly, this is unheard of that some universities are organizing a seminar on this.

As Bill said before - Employer are now demanding Bsc/MS degree. There is a reason. You will never see any advert from Google or any other bigger player for asking diploma person. No offense here but that is what it is.
Google folks tends to think that they can train the brain the way they want. A college joined them and he had 8 years of experience. Google folks said, forget about what you learned so far, erase your memory and here is a list that we need you to program your brain for.
this is kind of putting the square pigs in the squire holes.
Looks like they might have done en some research and then might have come up with these ideas. "We need you to be this".
More productivity? less time to get candidate up and running? there must be something that they are asking for university level candidate.

My concept is different, If i was a employer, I'd probably check a few things - a) if a person can do the job, b) have good attitude c) good communicator I'd not even bother checking the basic high school certificate.

My 0.2 cents

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Ronnie Angello <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> I believe that you can do the same thing here in the US, but still I
> have no desire to. I chose to spend my free time with my family and
> studying for Cisco certs, and (with experience) it has gotten me to
> where I am today. I respect what you've done, but it's just not me...
>
> I'm just saying that everyone is different, so no need to continue on
> with this never ending topic that's irrelevant to CCIE lab
> preparation. If you want CCIE, then go for it! This list exists to
> help you with that. If you want a degree, then go for it! I cannot help you with that...
>
> BTW I have never been denied a job opportunity because I didn't have a
> BS, let alone a MS or PhD. I switched jobs twice in this down
> economy. Again, everyone is different and it depends on what you're looking for I guess.
>
> Ronnie
> On Mar 6, 2012 7:48 AM, "Bill6521" <bil6521_at_netscape.net> wrote:
>
> > Just had a little chat about this with Ronnie. I think this is where
> > the UK/European degree system is slightly better than the USA one -
> > cost
> wise.
> > We
> > can do BSc, MSc, PhD by part time / evening and many other ways and
> > one
> of
> > our
> > best universities is the Open University where you can do the course
> > by correspondence and/or attend modules. You dont have to sit in a
> > class all day.
> >
> > Where I find a degree/masters/PhD comes in handy is in times like
> > now -
> ie
> > a
> > recession. Employers tend to raise the goalposts qualifications wise
> > for jobs and whereas two years ago - pre-recession they would have
> > accepted a diploma with a CCIE now they want a BSc or MSc with a
> > CCIE.
> >
> >
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