Re: CCO Downloads.

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On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:33 AM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> No this is Paul's list w/ little to no moderation. How many people have a
> lab date booked in here or are CCIE's looking to mentor? According to the
> sign up, those are the only people who should be participating. I
> understand this isn't a perfect world... but this list is more like
> dredging through spam lately, this topic included.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:27 AM, David Bass <davidbass570_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I forgot this was the Marc Edwards study list... :)
>>
>> Part of preparing is coming up with a strategy right? One of the
>> decisions that has to be made is whether you buy equipment/use a
>> virtualized environment, or have to rent rack time right? How about the
>> contined viability of this cert? Is this not relevant now?
>>
>> The CCIE is a huge investment in time and money...if you aren't thinking
>> about all of the above in addition to learning and understanding the
>> technology then you aren't doing your due diligence.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 8:37 AM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> No really isn't relavant. I am not any more prepared reading it.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 6:30 AM, David Bass <davidbass570_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Yes it is relevant...Cisco just made it much more difficult for those
>>> who choose to have their own lab equipment or whichever virtualized
>>> platform you like to study, or lab any particular scenario for that matter.
>>> I doubt that was their intention, but it's the result.
>>>
>>> It is now just as easy (or as difficult) to study any other vendor,
>>> which IMO was one of Cisco's biggest advantages. I think what Joe's point
>>> was that Cisco does not make the best platform in each category most of the
>>> time, but they can offer you a very decent end-to-end network, there are
>>> lots of people that know the gear (because it was easy to learn), and it's
>>> easy to support. The last 2 are intertwined.... If you take 2 of those
>>> things away you immediately place Cisco equal to Dell or HP, which is
>>> currently not reflected in their market share.
>>>
>>> You start making it impossible to cheaply implement Cisco equipment at
>>> small companies because the used gear is worthless now that you can't get
>>> code, and now you have people being forced to learn other vendors stuff,
>>> which is not good for a company who doesn't make the best platform anymore.
>>>
>>> Cisco has been making one bad decision after another.
>>>
>>> The pay to support some other vendors stuff is way higher at this point
>>> then what a CCIE level position is paying as well....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 3:18 AM, Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > And all this is relevant for CCIE R&S candidates for their studies...
>>> how?
>>> >
>>> > Please guys, take this offlist or to Cisco NSP.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
>>> >
>>> > :: This message was sent from a mobile device. I apologize for errors
>>> and brevity. ::
>>> >
>>> > On Feb 24, 2012, at 23:51, "Ryan Lindfield" <ryan_at_westchasetech.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> HP Networking is 3% of HP's value according to treffis.com so a net
>>> loss of 44% doesn't relate to networking. From other reports I've seen HP
>>> is gaining ground in the networking world as Cisco gains ground in the
>>> server / blade server market.
>>> >>
>>> >> The last report I saw showed Cisco as #2 in x86 blade servers in
>>> North America passing IBM & Dell. But that doesn't mean they are stealing
>>> market share from HP.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think both Cisco & HP are gaining market share, while they may not
>>> be taking it from the other or taking it marginally, a lot of smaller
>>> vendors are getting squished as the titans duke it out. HP is as likely to
>>> displace Cisco from networking as Cisco is to take the computing lead away
>>> from HP. In the server world there are guys that swear by HP, and of course
>>> others that swear at it. (I like UCS personally)
>>> >>
>>> >> What's killing HP is that many consumers don't need PC's they just
>>> want a laptop. And when people buy laptops, smart ones anyhow are going to
>>> Apple, those that don't really need a laptop are going to tablets, and
>>> their not buying HP here either. Another debate entirely, just pretend I
>>> didnb t say the Apple part and keep going.
>>> >>
>>> >> There are lots of angles to pick and choose from, all-in-all the
>>> H3C/HP platform is quite capable, and as a consumer I appreciate the
>>> competition, I've been able to score great deals on cisco servers and HP
>>> networking equipment over the last two years, and I have a happy/ healthy
>>> mixed environment in different environments. The competition helps the
>>> consumers in the end. As a consultant I make the same, and I don't feel
>>> like either company is looking out for me in any way.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cisco's big advantage that Jonathan points out is the all-in-one
>>> security solution. It's obviously not a single product, but a portfolio
>>> that encompasses everything from anyconnect running on your ipad to 802.1x
>>> / mac sec, iron port coupled with botnet filter, leading market share on
>>> switches which results in ubiquitous user experience, down to the hot new
>>> asa1000v coupled with Nexus 1000v.Cisco has a product for every scenario
>>> (except event monitoring RIP MARS) and is the only vendor offering complete
>>> end-to-end solution working in nearly-perfect harmony. Nobody else in the
>>> industry can touch this. They're selling a broad collection of "point
>>> products".
>>> >>
>>> >> Just comparing switches to switches though, if you're not tasting the
>>> wares from the other vendors and blindly buying Cisco you may be missing
>>> out.
>>> >>
>>> >> In summary, don't dislike the other vendors without spending some
>>> time on the other vendors. If you've got 100 hours on HP / Juniper, then
>>> sure tell me how Cisco's better, but if you haven't put in some stick-time
>>> on them, and aren't reading anything but Cisco it's time to take off the
>>> blinders and quit drinking their Kool-aid.
>>> >>
>>> >> Try to remember the relationship of who-needs-who, and look at how
>>> this conversation got started.
>>> >>
>>> >> Kind regards,
>>> >> Ryan
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Greenwood II
>>> >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:48 PM
>>> >> To: Joseph L. Brunner
>>> >> Cc: Radioactive Frog ; JB Poplawski ; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com ; Travis
>>> Niedens ; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> >> Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
>>> >>
>>> >> Hey Joe,
>>> >>
>>> >> I guess our facts of life are different, but the process to get
>>> >> re-furbished gear back on smartnet is not like it use to be and the
>>> premium
>>> >> you pay might as well buy it legitmately. Just went through this
>>> with a
>>> >> customer who exclusively used NHR in the past until the recent policy
>>> >> change enforced by Cisco for CCO downloads/hardware replacements via
>>> >> smartnet contracts.
>>> >>
>>> >> For small mom and pop's or fortune1000/2000's as you like to classify
>>> that
>>> >> don't run advanced features like voice/video/security such as dot1x
>>> posture
>>> >> checking down to the access layer you're right, they can go with a
>>> switch
>>> >> from Walmart to do that. Most organizations that have that setup are
>>> >> actually rip/replacing that crap because they want the
>>> >> security/collaboration and feature sets of an advanced network. With
>>> all
>>> >> the rampant hacking security is hot right now in most organizaitons
>>> and I'm
>>> >> seeing NAC solutions flying out the door which requires an access
>>> switch
>>> >> capable of some advanced features from any vendor. Those
>>> procurves/dells
>>> >> are being given away because they're dead weight :) But when I speak
>>> of
>>> >> market share I speak globally not just here in the US so your #'s are
>>> way
>>> >> off buddy.
>>> >>
>>> >> Brocade is on the verge of being sold or spinning of their ethernet
>>> side of
>>> >> house because they're selling their crap so cheap just to get a foot
>>> in the
>>> >> door that the low margins are actually hurting them. HP is doing the
>>> same
>>> >> with their gear as well and not making any money off of it at the end
>>> of
>>> >> the day. Juniper is making some strides on the ethernet side at the
>>> cost
>>> >> of loosing focus on their firewalls/SP routing domain that they've
>>> always
>>> >> done well with which is not good.
>>> >>
>>> >> I follow the trends pretty well and it's definitely not tight for
>>> Cisco,
>>> >> but more so for HP if you caught the latest news from Meg Whitman.
>>> Here
>>> >> are few recent articles and one from the biggest Cisco basher I know
>>> "Jim
>>> >> Duffy" from network world so I can point to something who is
>>> definitely not
>>> >> pro-Cisco:
>>> >>
>>> >> IDC's Worldwide Quarterly Enterprise Networks Tracker Shows Record
>>> Ethernet
>>> >> Switch Results; Router Market Declines
>>> >> http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23338212
>>> >>
>>> >> Pay specific attention to this line in the article:
>>> >>
>>> >> From a vendor perspective, Cisco's Ethernet switch (Layer 2/3) market
>>> share
>>> >> in 4Q11 came in at 64.3%, reflecting a significant improvement from
>>> earlier
>>> >> in the year. On a relative basis, Cisco continues to be strong in the
>>> 10GbE
>>> >> segment where it now has 69.5% of the market in 4Q11.
>>> >>
>>> >> Whitman gives HP harsh report card, outlines recovery plan
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022312-whitman-gives-hp-harsh-report-25
>>> >> 6474.html
>>> >>
>>> >> Cisco Q4 Ethernet switch revenue up, HP's down
>>> >>
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022412-cisco-ethernet-switch-256544.htm
>>> >> l?hpg1=bn
>>> >>
>>> >> What info are you referring to so I can reference???
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
>>> >> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Johnathan,****
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ** **
>>> >>>
>>> >>> In the Lan switching market HP procurve alone has a 30% market share
>>> so
>>> >>> check your facts again you re also forgetting that most CIO/CTO s
>>> would
>>> >>> not answer a survey but quietly buy HP procurve and now many times my
>>> >>> biggest Fortune 1000 Clients are getting Free Dell Switches with
>>> their
>>> >>> server purchases as a sweetner Next up let s talk about the
>>> hundreds of
>>> >>> Fortune 2000 s (I have several clients in this group also) that ONLY
>>> >>> purchase Cisco from Network Hardware Resellers, Myriad Supply, Ebay,
>>> etc.*
>>> >>> ***
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ** **
>>> >>>
>>> >>> In fact the ONLY thing my customers seem to buy from Cisco is
>>> Smartnet on
>>> >>> old Cisco gear (cause ASA s and 3750 s from 2008 still work) and Call
>>> >>> Manager Licensing. We even got a Nexus 7010 from a reseller recently
>>> so
>>> >>> trust me it s a tight time for Cisco as people like google and
>>> facebook
>>> >>> give away free IT CIO s and CTO s think this means ALL IT should
>>> cost
>>> >>> less.****
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ** **
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sorry man. Fact of life****
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ** **
>>> >>>
>>> >>> *From:* Jonathan Greenwood II [mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com]
>>> >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2012 9:54 PM
>>> >>> *To:* Radioactive Frog
>>> >>> *Cc:* Joseph L. Brunner; JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com; Travis
>>> >>> Niedens; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> >>> *Subject:* Re: CCO Downloads.****
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ** **
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I doubt it with their weak polycom handsets and no support for
>>> >>> acd/contactcenters. Not to mention the hardware required for the
>>> >>> infrastructure is a bit ridiculous and honestly a turnoff. They
>>> have years
>>> >>> to go before they even create a reasonable footprint to measure for
>>> market
>>> >>> share.****
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I keep hearing all of this Cisco market share eroding and the
>>> question I
>>> >>> have is to who??? HP 9% Juniper 2% Brocade 3% anybody else less
>>> than 1%.
>>> >>> ****
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I applaud Cisco for protecting their brand and not allowing it free
>>> for
>>> >>> all, because it makes the training/certification much more valuable.
>>> All
>>> >>> the other vendors have the same approach, so what's the big
>>> deal???****
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Feb 24, 2012 6:11 PM, "Radioactive Frog" <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:**
>>> >>> **
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Watch out the Microsoft Lync in the next few years. It will wipe out
>>> >>> Cisco,s UC market.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Lync now supports multitenancy, goes to Service providers Domain.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Friday, February 24, 2012, Travis Niedens wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Way too much land. I was in buildings J/K when they were supposed to
>>> >>> build
>>> >>>> more before the layoff in 2001.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;> [mailto:
>>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>>> >>> <javascript:;>]
>>> >>>> On Behalf Of
>>> >>>> Joseph L. Brunner
>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:05 PM
>>> >>>> To: JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>
>>> >>>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;>
>>> >>>> Subject: RE: CCO Downloads.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Yes - I also have a sick smartnet with many asa's, 3800's, 6509's,
>>> etc
>>> >>> but
>>> >>>> I
>>> >>>> was not able to download software for the 2651XM!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> HAHAH
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I guess Cisco has 2 choices
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 1. Sell all that land they acquired under John Morgidge in San Jose
>>> 2.
>>> >>> Lock
>>> >>>> down CCO in hopes people would buy more Smartnet contracts...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Guess that's all you can do when your eroding market share year
>>> after
>>> >>> year
>>> >>>> in the Enterprise Switch, Core Router and Firewall Market, huh?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;> [mailto:
>>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>>> >>> <javascript:;>]
>>> >>>> On Behalf Of JB
>>> >>>> Poplawski
>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:06 PM
>>> >>>> To: jazzsunn_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>
>>> >>>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;>
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I have 2600's in a lab, end of life routers. GNS3? What gives? I
>>> can
>>> >>>> download 65XX, 3750X, 28,29, 18XX.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Kind of frustrating that I'm studying for a lab (Third attempt) and
>>> >>> running
>>> >>>> into issues of downloading IOS.
>>> >>>> JB
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM, <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<javascript:;>>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> It must have finally caught up to you, but Cisco requires that you
>>> >>>>> have a service agreement for the device you're wanting to download
>>> >>>> software for.
>>> >>>>> Sent via BlackBerry
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>> From: JB Poplawski <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>>
>>> >>>>> Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;>
>>> >>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:55:59
>>> >>>>> To: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;>>
>>> >>>>> Reply-To: JB Poplawski <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>>
>>> >>>>> Subject: CCO Downloads.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Anyone having download issues of images? I used to be able to
>>> >>>>> download most anything, now it seems they bolted down the hatches.
>>> >>>>> Makes life hard for my 3600 lab.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Anyone?
>>> >>>>> JB
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
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>>> >>> ****
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Jonathan Greenwood II
>>> >> CCIE #22744
>>> >>
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