RE: CCO Downloads.

FYI - Nexus 7000 supports 768 line rate (non-blocking) 10GE ports in a
single chassis w/ 7018 and Fab 2 / F2 line cards...
On Feb 24, 2012 11:31 PM, "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
wrote:

>
> http://www.crn.com/news/networking/231001334/hp-touts-share-gains-in-networki
> ng-war-with-cisco.htm
>
> Hp Procurve Junk huh?
>
> Did you know the Procurve 3500YL's back plane is FASTER than the best Cisco
> 3750-x's for < the price??? (You do backups and iSCSI, right?) 173Gbps
> back
> plane for the procurve vs 160Gbps for the best Cisco 3750x...
>
>
> http://www.hp.com/rnd/pdfs/ProCurve_Switch_5400zl_Series_Reviewers_Guide.pdf
>
>
> At even higher speeds, Brocade products are the only ones we use for 10Gbe
> iSCSI (resold as the Dell 8024) want to know why? Cause the Cisco's have
> tiny
> shallow asics that drop frames during a vmotion. Perhaps you would like me
> to
> show you a vmotion on a Nexus 5020 and a Dell (Brocade) 8024 side by side?
> Guess which one wins every time, given same server and SAN hardware? Guess
> which switch has faster read/write to 10Gbpe ISCSI attached san luns (again
> given same server and SAN hardware)?
>
> Also on the topic of storage, we got a Fortune 1000 company to swap out his
> 3750G's for HP 3500YL's. (ProCurve Switch 3500yl-48G-PWR Intelligent Edge
> (J8693A)
>
> The CIO and his team were experiencing data loss and sluggish performance
> doing Citrix Xenserver Xenmotion's as well as Xen PVS desktop provisioning.
> His Citrix consultants were lost, so I simply looked at the port counters
> ---
> millions of DROPs!!! The 3750G has crap ASICs and simply can't handle wire
> speed storage. So why pay $5,000 to $15,000 for a switch that can't handle
> basic 1Gbps iSCSI?
>
> His comment to me was "those HP's were the best $5,000 we ever spent".
> Even
> his users were shocked how much the network improved. They were a loyal
> Cisco
> customer for years until I showed them the difference a pair of 3500yl's
> made...
>
> Now from a high performance, low latency switch standpoint (and this
> market is
> redhot right now...)
>
> How about a tour of Equinix or Savvis next time you're in New York or
> Chicago?
> Guess what? Those are 2 most expensive serious datacenters on the PLANET,
> Full
> of companies I can't even name here - but if you want the tour I'll be
> happy
> to get you sign an NDA with our account rep and check it out in person...
>
> You'll see an Arista, or Blade Networks (BNT), or Juniper Switch about
> every
> time you see a Cisco.... How much you want to bet on this fact?
>
> Are you familiar with Arista? Their 7500 BLOWS ANY other ETHERNET SWITCH
> out
> of the water on the planet.
>
> http://bradreese.com/blog/arista-4-20-2010.htm
>
> And yeah, I know Brad Reese can be a jerk against Cisco - but I'm saying
> man
> Cisco is known as the "slow steady reliable", but for HPC Cisco is D.O.A.
> You
> do know why the Nexus Line cards have One Yellow interface every 4 ports,
> right? (4 interfaces share 10Gbps bandwidth). Nexus is a BLOCKING Switch
> architecture - meaning the backplane/line card design does not allow
> wirespeed
> on every interface. Would you like to see a datacenter where I can show
> you a
> Nexus Switch where there is only 1 thing plugged in every 4 ports? Sad,
> huh?
> the Arista is a fully NON-BLOCKING Switch. So is the Juniper EX 8200
> series.
> Look at those numbers on the last link... the Cisco Nexus 7010 has the
> FEWEST
> full rate 10Gbe ports of any major switch vendor. Sorry man - that's pretty
> sad. Clearly, the Nexus is a generation behind everyone else...
>
> I "grew up with Cisco". I got certified on Cisco. But they need to really
> do a
> lot more to make their products a better deal to people spending over
> $5,000
> per switch. Period.
>
> I'm not even going to comment on the Lync vs Call Manager war - but let's
> say
> the cheapest one standing will be around in 5 years - IT costs are dropping
> very quickly.
>
> -Joe
>
> From: Jonathan Greenwood II [mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:48 PM
> To: Joseph L. Brunner
> Cc: Radioactive Frog; JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com; Travis Niedens;
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
>
> Hey Joe,
>
> I guess our facts of life are different, but the process to get
> re-furbished
> gear back on smartnet is not like it use to be and the premium you pay
> might
> as well buy it legitmately. Just went through this with a customer who
> exclusively used NHR in the past until the recent policy change enforced by
> Cisco for CCO downloads/hardware replacements via smartnet contracts.
>
> For small mom and pop's or fortune1000/2000's as you like to classify that
> don't run advanced features like voice/video/security such as dot1x posture
> checking down to the access layer you're right, they can go with a switch
> from
> Walmart to do that. Most organizations that have that setup are actually
> rip/replacing that crap because they want the security/collaboration and
> feature sets of an advanced network. With all the rampant hacking
> security is
> hot right now in most organizaitons and I'm seeing NAC solutions flying out
> the door which requires an access switch capable of some advanced features
> from any vendor. Those procurves/dells are being given away because
> they're
> dead weight :) But when I speak of market share I speak globally not just
> here in the US so your #'s are way off buddy.
>
> Brocade is on the verge of being sold or spinning of their ethernet side of
> house because they're selling their crap so cheap just to get a foot in the
> door that the low margins are actually hurting them. HP is doing the same
> with their gear as well and not making any money off of it at the end of
> the
> day. Juniper is making some strides on the ethernet side at the cost of
> loosing focus on their firewalls/SP routing domain that they've always done
> well with which is not good.
>
> I follow the trends pretty well and it's definitely not tight for Cisco,
> but
> more so for HP if you caught the latest news from Meg Whitman. Here are
> few
> recent articles and one from the biggest Cisco basher I know "Jim Duffy"
> from
> network world so I can point to something who is definitely not pro-Cisco:
>
> IDC's Worldwide Quarterly Enterprise Networks Tracker Shows Record Ethernet
> Switch Results; Router Market Declines
> http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23338212
>
> Pay specific attention to this line in the article:
>
> From a vendor perspective, Cisco's Ethernet switch (Layer 2/3) market
> share in
> 4Q11 came in at 64.3%, reflecting a significant improvement from earlier in
> the year. On a relative basis, Cisco continues to be strong in the 10GbE
> segment where it now has 69.5% of the market in 4Q11.
>
> Whitman gives HP harsh report card, outlines recovery plan
>
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022312-whitman-gives-hp-harsh-report-25
> 6474.html
>
> Cisco Q4 Ethernet switch revenue up, HP's down
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022412-cisco-ethernet-switch-256544.htm
> l?hpg1=bn
>
> What info are you referring to so I can reference???
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>> wrote:
> Johnathan,
>
> In the Lan switching market HP procurve alone has a 30% market share - so
> check your facts again... you're also forgetting that most CIO/CTO's would
> not
> answer a survey but quietly buy HP procurve and now many times my biggest
> Fortune 1000 Clients are getting Free Dell Switches with their server
> purchases as a sweetner... Next up - let's talk about the hundreds of
> Fortune
> 2000's (I have several clients in this group also) that ONLY purchase Cisco
> from Network Hardware Resellers, Myriad Supply, Ebay, etc.
>
> In fact the ONLY thing my customers seem to buy from Cisco is Smartnet on
> old
> Cisco gear (cause ASA's and 3750's from 2008 still work) and Call Manager
> Licensing. We even got a Nexus 7010 from a reseller recently - so trust me
> it's a tight time for Cisco - as people like google and facebook give away
> free "IT" CIO's and CTO's think this means ALL IT should cost less.
>
> Sorry man. Fact of life
>
> From: Jonathan Greenwood II
> [mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com<mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com>]
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:54 PM
> To: Radioactive Frog
> Cc: Joseph L. Brunner; JB Poplawski;
> jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>; Travis Niedens;
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
>
>
> I doubt it with their weak polycom handsets and no support for
> acd/contactcenters. Not to mention the hardware required for the
> infrastructure is a bit ridiculous and honestly a turnoff. They have
> years to
> go before they even create a reasonable footprint to measure for market
> share.
>
> I keep hearing all of this Cisco market share eroding and the question I
> have
> is to who??? HP 9% Juniper 2% Brocade 3% anybody else less than 1%.
>
> I applaud Cisco for protecting their brand and not allowing it free for
> all,
> because it makes the training/certification much more valuable. All the
> other
> vendors have the same approach, so what's the big deal???
> On Feb 24, 2012 6:11 PM, "Radioactive Frog"
> <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com<mailto:pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
> Watch out the Microsoft Lync in the next few years. It will wipe out
> Cisco,s UC market.
>
> Lync now supports multitenancy, goes to Service providers Domain.
>
>
> On Friday, February 24, 2012, Travis Niedens wrote:
>
> > Way too much land. I was in buildings J/K when they were supposed to
> build
> > more before the layoff in 2001.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com> <javascript:;>
> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com><javascript:;>]
> > On Behalf Of
> > Joseph L. Brunner
> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:05 PM
> > To: JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>
> <javascript:;>
> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <javascript:;>
> > Subject: RE: CCO Downloads.
> >
> > Yes - I also have a sick smartnet with many asa's, 3800's, 6509's, etc
> but
> > I
> > was not able to download software for the 2651XM!
> >
> > HAHAH
> >
> > I guess Cisco has 2 choices
> >
> > 1. Sell all that land they acquired under John Morgidge in San Jose 2.
> Lock
> > down CCO in hopes people would buy more Smartnet contracts...
> >
> > Guess that's all you can do when your eroding market share year after
> year
> > in the Enterprise Switch, Core Router and Firewall Market, huh?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com> <javascript:;>
> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com><javascript:;>]
> > On Behalf Of JB
> > Poplawski
> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:06 PM
> > To: jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com> <javascript:;>
> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <javascript:;>
> > Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
> >
> > I have 2600's in a lab, end of life routers. GNS3? What gives? I can
> > download 65XX, 3750X, 28,29, 18XX.
> >
> > Kind of frustrating that I'm studying for a lab (Third attempt) and
> running
> > into issues of downloading IOS.
> > JB
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM,
> <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It must have finally caught up to you, but Cisco requires that you
> > > have a service agreement for the device you're wanting to download
> > software for.
> > > Sent via BlackBerry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: JB Poplawski <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com<mailto:
> jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com>
> <javascript:;>>
> > > Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> <javascript:;>
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:55:59
> > > To: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> <javascript:;>>
> > > Reply-To: JB Poplawski
> <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com<mailto:jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com> <javascript:;>>
> > > Subject: CCO Downloads.
> > >
> > > Anyone having download issues of images? I used to be able to
> > > download most anything, now it seems they bolted down the hatches.
> > > Makes life hard for my 3600 lab.
> > >
> > > Anyone?
> > > JB
> > >
> > >
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