Re: CCO Downloads.

They used a gold partner and the engineer was a CCIE who designed their network/datacenter.

Hence my point about a good CCIE or a joke one who has only "passed the test" and has no real world understanding of anything.

Of course a 3750G is at best, a desktop access switch. :)

From: Ronnie Angello [mailto:ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:57 AM
To: Joseph L. Brunner
Cc: Jonathan Greenwood II <gwood83_at_gmail.com>; JB Poplawski <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com>; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>; Travis Niedens <niedentj_at_hotmail.com>; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>; Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>
Subject: RE: CCO Downloads.

Also, why would someone position 3750G to support wire-speed iSCSI storage in the data center in the first place? It's not a switch architecture that's recommended for that application. The HP switch may outperform it and may be cheaper, and that's great, but it was a bad design to begin with...

On Feb 25, 2012 10:34 AM, "Ronnie Angello" <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com<mailto:ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>> wrote:

FYI - Nexus 7000 supports 768 line rate (non-blocking) 10GE ports in a single chassis w/ 7018 and Fab 2 / F2 line cards...

On Feb 24, 2012 11:31 PM, "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>> wrote:
http://www.crn.com/news/networking/231001334/hp-touts-share-gains-in-networki
ng-war-with-cisco.htm<http://www.crn.com/news/networking/231001334/hp-touts-share-gains-in-networking-war-with-cisco.htm>

Hp Procurve Junk huh?

Did you know the Procurve 3500YL's back plane is FASTER than the best Cisco
3750-x's for < the price??? (You do backups and iSCSI, right?) 173Gbps back
plane for the procurve vs 160Gbps for the best Cisco 3750x...

http://www.hp.com/rnd/pdfs/ProCurve_Switch_5400zl_Series_Reviewers_Guide.pdf

At even higher speeds, Brocade products are the only ones we use for 10Gbe
iSCSI (resold as the Dell 8024) want to know why? Cause the Cisco's have tiny
shallow asics that drop frames during a vmotion. Perhaps you would like me to
show you a vmotion on a Nexus 5020 and a Dell (Brocade) 8024 side by side?
Guess which one wins every time, given same server and SAN hardware? Guess
which switch has faster read/write to 10Gbpe ISCSI attached san luns (again
given same server and SAN hardware)?

Also on the topic of storage, we got a Fortune 1000 company to swap out his
3750G's for HP 3500YL's. (ProCurve Switch 3500yl-48G-PWR Intelligent Edge
(J8693A)

The CIO and his team were experiencing data loss and sluggish performance
doing Citrix Xenserver Xenmotion's as well as Xen PVS desktop provisioning.
His Citrix consultants were lost, so I simply looked at the port counters ---
millions of DROPs!!! The 3750G has crap ASICs and simply can't handle wire
speed storage. So why pay $5,000 to $15,000 for a switch that can't handle
basic 1Gbps iSCSI?

His comment to me was "those HP's were the best $5,000 we ever spent". Even
his users were shocked how much the network improved. They were a loyal Cisco
customer for years until I showed them the difference a pair of 3500yl's
made...

Now from a high performance, low latency switch standpoint (and this market is
redhot right now...)

How about a tour of Equinix or Savvis next time you're in New York or Chicago?
Guess what? Those are 2 most expensive serious datacenters on the PLANET, Full
of companies I can't even name here - but if you want the tour I'll be happy
to get you sign an NDA with our account rep and check it out in person...

You'll see an Arista, or Blade Networks (BNT), or Juniper Switch about every
time you see a Cisco.... How much you want to bet on this fact?

Are you familiar with Arista? Their 7500 BLOWS ANY other ETHERNET SWITCH out
of the water on the planet.

http://bradreese.com/blog/arista-4-20-2010.htm

And yeah, I know Brad Reese can be a jerk against Cisco - but I'm saying man
Cisco is known as the "slow steady reliable", but for HPC Cisco is D.O.A. You
do know why the Nexus Line cards have One Yellow interface every 4 ports,
right? (4 interfaces share 10Gbps bandwidth). Nexus is a BLOCKING Switch
architecture - meaning the backplane/line card design does not allow wirespeed
on every interface. Would you like to see a datacenter where I can show you a
Nexus Switch where there is only 1 thing plugged in every 4 ports? Sad, huh?
the Arista is a fully NON-BLOCKING Switch. So is the Juniper EX 8200 series.
Look at those numbers on the last link... the Cisco Nexus 7010 has the FEWEST
full rate 10Gbe ports of any major switch vendor. Sorry man - that's pretty
sad. Clearly, the Nexus is a generation behind everyone else...

I "grew up with Cisco". I got certified on Cisco. But they need to really do a
lot more to make their products a better deal to people spending over $5,000
per switch. Period.

I'm not even going to comment on the Lync vs Call Manager war - but let's say
the cheapest one standing will be around in 5 years - IT costs are dropping
very quickly.

-Joe

From: Jonathan Greenwood II [mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com<mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com>]
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:48 PM
To: Joseph L. Brunner
Cc: Radioactive Frog; JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>; Travis Niedens;
ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.

Hey Joe,

I guess our facts of life are different, but the process to get re-furbished
gear back on smartnet is not like it use to be and the premium you pay might
as well buy it legitmately. Just went through this with a customer who
exclusively used NHR in the past until the recent policy change enforced by
Cisco for CCO downloads/hardware replacements via smartnet contracts.

For small mom and pop's or fortune1000/2000's as you like to classify that
don't run advanced features like voice/video/security such as dot1x posture
checking down to the access layer you're right, they can go with a switch from
Walmart to do that. Most organizations that have that setup are actually
rip/replacing that crap because they want the security/collaboration and
feature sets of an advanced network. With all the rampant hacking security is
hot right now in most organizaitons and I'm seeing NAC solutions flying out
the door which requires an access switch capable of some advanced features
from any vendor. Those procurves/dells are being given away because they're
dead weight :) But when I speak of market share I speak globally not just
here in the US so your #'s are way off buddy.

Brocade is on the verge of being sold or spinning of their ethernet side of
house because they're selling their crap so cheap just to get a foot in the
door that the low margins are actually hurting them. HP is doing the same
with their gear as well and not making any money off of it at the end of the
day. Juniper is making some strides on the ethernet side at the cost of
loosing focus on their firewalls/SP routing domain that they've always done
well with which is not good.

I follow the trends pretty well and it's definitely not tight for Cisco, but
more so for HP if you caught the latest news from Meg Whitman. Here are few
recent articles and one from the biggest Cisco basher I know "Jim Duffy" from
network world so I can point to something who is definitely not pro-Cisco:

IDC's Worldwide Quarterly Enterprise Networks Tracker Shows Record Ethernet
Switch Results; Router Market Declines
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23338212

Pay specific attention to this line in the article:

From a vendor perspective, Cisco's Ethernet switch (Layer 2/3) market share in
4Q11 came in at 64.3%, reflecting a significant improvement from earlier in
the year. On a relative basis, Cisco continues to be strong in the 10GbE
segment where it now has 69.5% of the market in 4Q11.

Whitman gives HP harsh report card, outlines recovery plan

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022312-whitman-gives-hp-harsh-report-25
6474.html<http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022312-whitman-gives-hp-harsh-report-256474.html>

Cisco Q4 Ethernet switch revenue up, HP's down
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022412-cisco-ethernet-switch-256544.htm
l?hpg1=bn

What info are you referring to so I can reference???
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
<joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com><mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>>> wrote:
Johnathan,

In the Lan switching market HP procurve alone has a 30% market share - so
check your facts again... you're also forgetting that most CIO/CTO's would not
answer a survey but quietly buy HP procurve and now many times my biggest
Fortune 1000 Clients are getting Free Dell Switches with their server
purchases as a sweetner... Next up - let's talk about the hundreds of Fortune
2000's (I have several clients in this group also) that ONLY purchase Cisco
from Network Hardware Resellers, Myriad Supply, Ebay, etc.

In fact the ONLY thing my customers seem to buy from Cisco is Smartnet on old
Cisco gear (cause ASA's and 3750's from 2008 still work) and Call Manager
Licensing. We even got a Nexus 7010 from a reseller recently - so trust me
it's a tight time for Cisco - as people like google and facebook give away
free "IT" CIO's and CTO's think this means ALL IT should cost less.

Sorry man. Fact of life

From: Jonathan Greenwood II
[mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com<mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com><mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com<mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com>>]
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:54 PM
To: Radioactive Frog
Cc: Joseph L. Brunner; JB Poplawski;
jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com><mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>>; Travis Niedens;
ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com><mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.

I doubt it with their weak polycom handsets and no support for
acd/contactcenters. Not to mention the hardware required for the
infrastructure is a bit ridiculous and honestly a turnoff. They have years to
go before they even create a reasonable footprint to measure for market
share.

I keep hearing all of this Cisco market share eroding and the question I have
is to who??? HP 9% Juniper 2% Brocade 3% anybody else less than 1%.

I applaud Cisco for protecting their brand and not allowing it free for all,
because it makes the training/certification much more valuable. All the other
vendors have the same approach, so what's the big deal???
On Feb 24, 2012 6:11 PM, "Radioactive Frog"
<pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com<mailto:pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com><mailto:pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com<mailto:pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>>> wrote:
Watch out the Microsoft Lync in the next few years. It will wipe out
Cisco,s UC market.

Lync now supports multitenancy, goes to Service providers Domain.

On Friday, February 24, 2012, Travis Niedens wrote:

> Way too much land. I was in buildings J/K when they were supposed to build
> more before the layoff in 2001.
>
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> Subject: RE: CCO Downloads.
>
> Yes - I also have a sick smartnet with many asa's, 3800's, 6509's, etc but
> I
> was not able to download software for the 2651XM!
>
> HAHAH
>
> I guess Cisco has 2 choices
>
> 1. Sell all that land they acquired under John Morgidge in San Jose 2. Lock
> down CCO in hopes people would buy more Smartnet contracts...
>
> Guess that's all you can do when your eroding market share year after year
> in the Enterprise Switch, Core Router and Firewall Market, huh?
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Poplawski
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> Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
>
> I have 2600's in a lab, end of life routers. GNS3? What gives? I can
> download 65XX, 3750X, 28,29, 18XX.
>
> Kind of frustrating that I'm studying for a lab (Third attempt) and running
> into issues of downloading IOS.
> JB
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM,
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> wrote:
>
> > It must have finally caught up to you, but Cisco requires that you
> > have a service agreement for the device you're wanting to download
> software for.
> > Sent via BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Subject: CCO Downloads.
> >
> > Anyone having download issues of images? I used to be able to
> > download most anything, now it seems they bolted down the hatches.
> > Makes life hard for my 3600 lab.
> >
> > Anyone?
> > JB
> >
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