Re: CCIE R&S Discouraged

if you are thinking that cisco is least bothered with brain dumps ,
....think again

i completely disagree with you !

1)imagine , when poeple pass with dumps in first attempt . it is a loss to
cisco , as dumps prevented him/her attempting the next two attempts.

As on avg it takes 3 attempts . (on avg)

2)further it is loss for training companies as well , including cisco 360
. As most people " might " say ...why take such expensive training when
their is " really " easy way ?

3)when cert is diluted ....which company is not worried ?

on that note ...dont think cisco is freely throwing away the " expert "
title on any one using dumps ...

my believe is proctors changes the labs on daily basis ...... if you say
labs are same , and do not chage with time , you probably promoting the
cheet sites

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Ahmed <ahmedsalim_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> According to Cisco, the Pass RATE hasn't decreased. So they are
> comfortable with the idea if candidates with absolutely no determination
> passes on his 3rd attempt using these materials. Cisco is getting their $
> and flooding the market with their representatives, which equals to more
> cisco products being sold as more and more "certified" ppl are available in
> the market than their competitors.
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> On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:17:28 +0400, John Pelletier <
> john.pelletier_at_altima-group.**com <john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Joe, I personally reported a testing center that was selling exams
>> directly
>> from the database to people AND
>> the person who owned it was paying people to
>> take exams for others. And guess what? Cisco did NOTHING
>> it is all about the
>> money. Cisco makes lots of money off of the certification program,
>> recerts,
>> books,
>> training etc etc etc.
>> Is cheating devaluing the cert? Absolutely. You
>> would hope the cheaters
>> would be exposed in the end via job performance,
>> interview or whatever
>> but don't hold your breath. At least you can look
>> yourself in the mirror when you earn yours.
>> ______________________________**__
>> From: Joe Sanchez <marco207p_at_gmail.com>
>> To:
>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 9:38 AM
>> Subject: CCIE
>> R&S Discouraged
>> All,
>>
>> I wanted to send a quick email out to all of you to
>> get your take, and to
>> hopefully give me some words of wisdom.
>>
>> I recently took
>> my CCIE R&S Lab exam at RTP on Nov 9, 2011; I failed and
>> I'm ok with that, I
>> knew going into the exam that I was not 100% however I
>> scheduled the lab
>> months prior, set my goals and tried to reach them before
>> taking the lab. I
>> fell behind on a few of the goals that I set prior to
>> taking the exam, but I
>> felt I needed to go ahead and take the lab and get
>> the butterflies and overall
>> anxiety out of my system.
>>
>> I know what I need to do, so that my next attempt
>> at the lab is successful,
>> and I'm working on those now.
>>
>> So here is the part
>> were my discouragement comes into play and really my
>> overall mindset to stop
>> studying for this exam and move on with my life, as
>> we all know that studying
>> for the CCIE takes away your life for a while.
>> I've been studying for the CCIE
>> off and on for almost 2yrs, and there have
>> been a few breaks in my studies as
>> I have family and work obligations like
>> most of you all, "i digress".
>>
>> I came
>> back from RTP and I had a few questions on my lab that I absolutely
>> had no
>> freakin clue, so I set out looking through the CCO Doc CD and trying
>> to figure
>> out the answers to the questions and I read every page on this
>> particular
>> subject however, I couldn't find solutions the lab wanted. So I
>> set out in
>> the world of google and began using search strings to find my
>> answer, and what
>> do you know I found several scenarios from people that
>> were pretty close, so I
>> modified my search string and began my
>> seek-and-find again. After searching
>> for a few minutes more for my answer,
>> up pops a website URL in Chinese that
>> redirects me to a website that has a
>> document in adobe web viewer so I think
>> lets read this and see what I
>> find. I begin to read the document and see that
>> it is a lab and as I
>> scroll down I begin to see the network topology and
>> physical and logical
>> layout and the beginning general guideline requirements
>> and I say to myself
>> "wow, this is very familiar" as I continue reading I again
>> say " this is
>> way to close" and as I scroll down I see a topology that looks
>> exactly like
>> the topology I had on my Lab, so I stop... dig out my notebook,
>> "they one I
>> drew my LAB topology in, at the airport after my LAB exam" and I
>> say "What
>> the hell" this topology is 100% exact to my LAB in RTP and not only
>> that
>> but 100% ip addressing, vlan names and numbers, IGP AS numbers, BGP AS
>> numbers, "yes" i continued to read and yes everything, again everything
>> was
>> 100% my LAB " I found the answer to my question". So I stopped... stared
>> at
>> the wall for hmmm... a long time then said "Why" Why do I nearly kill
>> myself
>> studying trying to get these digits when people are out there
>> cheating, but
>> not only cheating but killing the reputation of a Expert
>> community because
>> they feel that if they get the Digits they can make more
>> money than what they
>> deserve. So I went home, because I don't study at
>> home as this is distraction
>> most of them, and I asked myself the entire
>> ride home to whether or not a
>> should continue.
>>
>> So I suppose my Question is to the whole community here is
>> "should we even
>> continue", I've spent thousands or dollars getting equipment,
>> labbooks,
>> video's not to mention the hours, but what is the point if people
>> are
>> cheating and Employers know that people are cheating, and I've seen this
>> over the last few years that some CCIE's don't have a clue.
>>
>> I'm frustrated,
>> p'd off, and discouraged.
>>
>> I await your thoughts and reply's.
>>
>> Please do not
>> email me or request that I give you the website or name of
>> the company that is
>> supplying the exact labs, as I will make you publicly
>> known for asking in this
>> email group and forums. Really it's not worth it.
>>
>> Joe Sanchez (Chicago, IL)
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