Re: CCIE R&S Discouraged

I agree with everything Marko stated, with one addition, do not mention
their names (The cheating sites) or give out any details in any forums
regarding their sites, because all you are doing (*AND I know you do not
mean to*) is promoting them.

We all get frustrated, yes we do. Last week in Burbank i had a full class
and we spent around 70 hours in the class doing labs and lecture, and these
students worked VERY hard, and i mean very hard, and then you hear some
people cheat AND make money in that process as well, you feel cheated and
frustrated.

But remember that these guys have to go for an interview and God forbid get
a job, i guarantee that they can't cheat in the interview.

Go back to your studies and start again. And i am sure that you will pass.

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> if you are thinking that cisco is least bothered with brain dumps ,
> ....think again
>
> i completely disagree with you !
>
> 1)imagine , when poeple pass with dumps in first attempt . it is a loss to
> cisco , as dumps prevented him/her attempting the next two attempts.
>
> As on avg it takes 3 attempts . (on avg)
>
> 2)further it is loss for training companies as well , including cisco 360
> . As most people " might " say ...why take such expensive training when
> their is " really " easy way ?
>
> 3)when cert is diluted ....which company is not worried ?
>
> on that note ...dont think cisco is freely throwing away the " expert "
> title on any one using dumps ...
>
> my believe is proctors changes the labs on daily basis ...... if you say
> labs are same , and do not chage with time , you probably promoting the
> cheet sites
>
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> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Ahmed <ahmedsalim_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > According to Cisco, the Pass RATE hasn't decreased. So they are
> > comfortable with the idea if candidates with absolutely no determination
> > passes on his 3rd attempt using these materials. Cisco is getting their $
> > and flooding the market with their representatives, which equals to more
> > cisco products being sold as more and more "certified" ppl are available
> in
> > the market than their competitors.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:17:28 +0400, John Pelletier <
> > john.pelletier_at_altima-group.**com <john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Joe, I personally reported a testing center that was selling exams
> >> directly
> >> from the database to people AND
> >> the person who owned it was paying people to
> >> take exams for others. And guess what? Cisco did NOTHING
> >> it is all about the
> >> money. Cisco makes lots of money off of the certification program,
> >> recerts,
> >> books,
> >> training etc etc etc.
> >> Is cheating devaluing the cert? Absolutely. You
> >> would hope the cheaters
> >> would be exposed in the end via job performance,
> >> interview or whatever
> >> but don't hold your breath. At least you can look
> >> yourself in the mirror when you earn yours.
> >> ______________________________**__
> >> From: Joe Sanchez <marco207p_at_gmail.com>
> >> To:
> >> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 9:38 AM
> >> Subject: CCIE
> >> R&S Discouraged
> >> All,
> >>
> >> I wanted to send a quick email out to all of you to
> >> get your take, and to
> >> hopefully give me some words of wisdom.
> >>
> >> I recently took
> >> my CCIE R&S Lab exam at RTP on Nov 9, 2011; I failed and
> >> I'm ok with that, I
> >> knew going into the exam that I was not 100% however I
> >> scheduled the lab
> >> months prior, set my goals and tried to reach them before
> >> taking the lab. I
> >> fell behind on a few of the goals that I set prior to
> >> taking the exam, but I
> >> felt I needed to go ahead and take the lab and get
> >> the butterflies and overall
> >> anxiety out of my system.
> >>
> >> I know what I need to do, so that my next attempt
> >> at the lab is successful,
> >> and I'm working on those now.
> >>
> >> So here is the part
> >> were my discouragement comes into play and really my
> >> overall mindset to stop
> >> studying for this exam and move on with my life, as
> >> we all know that studying
> >> for the CCIE takes away your life for a while.
> >> I've been studying for the CCIE
> >> off and on for almost 2yrs, and there have
> >> been a few breaks in my studies as
> >> I have family and work obligations like
> >> most of you all, "i digress".
> >>
> >> I came
> >> back from RTP and I had a few questions on my lab that I absolutely
> >> had no
> >> freakin clue, so I set out looking through the CCO Doc CD and trying
> >> to figure
> >> out the answers to the questions and I read every page on this
> >> particular
> >> subject however, I couldn't find solutions the lab wanted. So I
> >> set out in
> >> the world of google and began using search strings to find my
> >> answer, and what
> >> do you know I found several scenarios from people that
> >> were pretty close, so I
> >> modified my search string and began my
> >> seek-and-find again. After searching
> >> for a few minutes more for my answer,
> >> up pops a website URL in Chinese that
> >> redirects me to a website that has a
> >> document in adobe web viewer so I think
> >> lets read this and see what I
> >> find. I begin to read the document and see that
> >> it is a lab and as I
> >> scroll down I begin to see the network topology and
> >> physical and logical
> >> layout and the beginning general guideline requirements
> >> and I say to myself
> >> "wow, this is very familiar" as I continue reading I again
> >> say " this is
> >> way to close" and as I scroll down I see a topology that looks
> >> exactly like
> >> the topology I had on my Lab, so I stop... dig out my notebook,
> >> "they one I
> >> drew my LAB topology in, at the airport after my LAB exam" and I
> >> say "What
> >> the hell" this topology is 100% exact to my LAB in RTP and not only
> >> that
> >> but 100% ip addressing, vlan names and numbers, IGP AS numbers, BGP AS
> >> numbers, "yes" i continued to read and yes everything, again everything
> >> was
> >> 100% my LAB " I found the answer to my question". So I stopped...
> stared
> >> at
> >> the wall for hmmm... a long time then said "Why" Why do I nearly kill
> >> myself
> >> studying trying to get these digits when people are out there
> >> cheating, but
> >> not only cheating but killing the reputation of a Expert
> >> community because
> >> they feel that if they get the Digits they can make more
> >> money than what they
> >> deserve. So I went home, because I don't study at
> >> home as this is distraction
> >> most of them, and I asked myself the entire
> >> ride home to whether or not a
> >> should continue.
> >>
> >> So I suppose my Question is to the whole community here is
> >> "should we even
> >> continue", I've spent thousands or dollars getting equipment,
> >> labbooks,
> >> video's not to mention the hours, but what is the point if people
> >> are
> >> cheating and Employers know that people are cheating, and I've seen this
> >> over the last few years that some CCIE's don't have a clue.
> >>
> >> I'm frustrated,
> >> p'd off, and discouraged.
> >>
> >> I await your thoughts and reply's.
> >>
> >> Please do not
> >> email me or request that I give you the website or name of
> >> the company that is
> >> supplying the exact labs, as I will make you publicly
> >> known for asking in this
> >> email group and forums. Really it's not worth it.
> >>
> >> Joe Sanchez (Chicago, IL)
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